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 Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip
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 Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip
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Now that's an awesome Baron...550s, VGs, long chord flaps! If I didn't need the double back doors of the 58, I'd be looking for something just like that. Congratulations on having what is probably the best performing NA twin out there.

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C-421 with R/STOL. Nice big pressurized cabin, big baggage compartment, very nice to fly and lotsa power.


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Hi I know what you are going through right now. I am in the cattle business and have my own strip here at the ranch, about currently 3000 feet with a dog leg at one end. I had a very nice late model a36 but needed more seats, the way I felt if I was going to Go to a twin I wanted pressuration, ice protection good high altitude and an airstair cabin. I ruled out a "cheap" turbin mainly because of cycles and phase inspections as I don't fly a lot of hours annually or very long legs. I also ruled out 421 because of the geared engines, but I don't know if that makes sense because there are some very good deals on 421 at this time. I looked for quite a while and found a very nice 414a chancellor with Robertson stoll, the previous owners had just spent several hundred thousand dollars on referb. It will be a while before I know if I did good, but I believe it is a very good plane. It really is a very capably cross country plane, very comfortable with the pressuration and weather capable.

I too wanted to keep the plane where I live, but I rented a hangar for a year ai KISM. I figured this would give me time to see just what it will do. I currently feel it will probably be ok, but it is a lot of plane for the tire size on grass, and I know it will be a lot harder to keep it nice on the grass.

Good luck on your decision.

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Hi I know what you are going through right now. I am in the cattle business and have my own strip here at the ranch, about currently 3000 feet with a dog leg at one end. I had a very nice late model a36 but needed more seats, the way I felt if I was going to Go to a twin I wanted pressuration, ice protection good high altitude and an airstair cabin. I ruled out a "cheap" turbin mainly because of cycles and phase inspections as I don't fly a lot of hours annually or very long legs. I also ruled out 421 because of the geared engines, but I don't know if that makes sense because there are some very good deals on 421 at this time. I looked for quite a while and found a very nice 414a chancellor with Robertson stoll, the previous owners had just spent several hundred thousand dollars on referb. It will be a while before I know if I did good, but I believe it is a very good plane. It really is a very capably cross country plane, very comfortable with the pressuration and weather capable.

I too wanted to keep the plane where I live, but I rented a hangar for a year ai KISM. I figured this would give me time to see just what it will do. I currently feel it will probably be ok, but it is a lot of plane for the tire size on grass, and I know it will be a lot harder to keep it nice on the grass.

Good luck on your decision.

Rawl overstreet

You made a great choice. If I had 3,000' that would of been my first pick!

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The Learjet handles unimproved runways quite nicely, but 2300 would be little tight.

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A POS Apache with gutless o-320s does just fine...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIVI-HWr2Ac

Wouldn't be my first choice though...


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I just run a quick short field T.O. At 1000PA, 100°f GW 6750 on pavement to clear 50' book answer on TC 500B is 1800ft. In round numbers that will give 156 gal at 28/hr at 165-170KTAS. 900-1000# inside with seven seats, plus good size bagge area. P M. Me if you like. The Twin Commander Flight Group is holding their annual fly in Sept 24-27 at KCOS. Several very knowledgable pilots & AP s will be there. Also AOPA is holding regional fly in same weekend, same airport. Also one of our "retiring members" has one of the best Shrike Commanders I know of for sale.
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Thanks Dan, I have an offer in on a plane right now. I dont want to spill the beans till the deal is done, but if It performs as advertised, it will be a game changer for me! Stay tuned...

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Turbo Aztec gets my vote for grass runways.

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I considered an Angel 44 years ago as an airplane to range far south of the border, but I chickened out or came to my senses. It's got great performance numbers but has a reputation as noisy. I didn't read or hear anything about running hot, but I didn't get beyond reading what I could and speaking to the man building them, the son of the designer.

Another exotic twin that might be considered. would be the Dornier DO 28. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_28 This one I was thinking/fantasizing about many years ago, then I saw this one advertised: http://www.controller.com/listingsdetai ... 342759.htm. I emailed the broker in Minnesota and learned the airplane was in Iceland. Coincidentally I was going there the following week, and planned to visit an airplane museum where it was on loan! The airplane had been used to salvage WW2 airplanes from the ice before restoration. It can carry a good load and has decent range, but the cruise is only 130 kts.

Before I left for Iceland I was told the airplane was under contract for sale to farmers in Iowa if I recall correctly. That suited me well because, as I told the broker, I was far from serious at this stage. The broker was happy to show me the airplane in case it did interest me in the event the other deal fell through. By further coincidence she was going to be in Akureyri, Iceland while I was there.

I got to see the airplane and meet both the broker and the owner, Arngrimur Johannsson. He's a great guy. He established an airline, Air Atlantic, based in Iceland then went onto lease out airplanes. His airplanes worked for Virgin Airlines/Atlantic(?) in the summer and did pilgrim charter flights to Mecca in the winter. Arngrimur showed me the DO 28. "Great German engineering" he said, and it certainly felt very solid. Then he showed me the rest of his fleet, some on loan to the museum although still flown on occasion, others in his hangar next door. There was a Beaver, a cub, a 140, a 170, a couple of gliders - one very early, and more. He's getting on in years and reducing his fleet now. Some Canadians were due to arrive later that day to look at the Beaver.

I felt I had met a pioneer of civil aviation. It was good to meet him and a Battle Britain pilot on the same trip.

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here is a hint at the plane I have chosen:
1,650' take off over 50"
1,350' landing
210 KTAS, boots, 900 lbs payload with 1,000# of fuel
6 seats and pressurized. Burns 32 gallons/hr in cruise.

Lets see who wins the prize.....

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Lets see who wins the prize.....

Cessna 340 would be my guess, perhaps with RAM engines and STOL mod.

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