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 Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip
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I'll buy the plane. Y'all buy the fuel


That would be great! Fuel split 20-40 ways!


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 Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip
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I can't believe that someone hasn't pointed out the load carrying and short field capabilities of the Aztec and IO-540 Lycomings to boot.

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The Dash 7, as they were called when I was working on them (maintenance) in Canada, has 4 P&W PT6s and is essentially a regional airliner.


The 7 is the max complexity for the minimum performance.

One out high and hot and climb gradient is dicey.

Two out, you are landing. And possibly not where you want to.

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I can't believe that someone hasn't pointed out the load carrying and short field capabilities of the Aztec and IO-540 Lycomings to boot.

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+1.......By far the best light twin for short field.

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Aztec?

Might have good performance, but there are other things to consider on farm strips. There, it's equally important to have big wheels and good prop clearances. Not the Aztec's strong suit.

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Depends on the strip. This strip may not.


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I am simply blown away by the performance numbers of the 340A with an R/STOL kit.
If I could find one that would be at the top of my list. Barring that I think the J50 twin bo is still at the top of my list.

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Growing up, my father operated a R/Stol 421B out of our 2,600 ft ranch strip near Hebbronville, Texas, often with 6-7 people and enough gas to get to Fort Worth (with ifr reserves). The same strip with a non-R/Stol T310R was very marginal. Out hot Texas days, Dad would fly the 310 to the county airport before loading us up.


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Hey Douglas

Then there is this: http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info ... e180.shtml

https://www.twincessna.org/twin-cessna303.htm

Seems like a nice short field aircraft for full load at take off 1275 and 50' obstacle at 1750'
Worth a look. Cheers!


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If you aren't worried about speed (and maybe your hearing!), a BN2 Islander will well and truly haul your gear out of short strips!

2,990kg MTOW out of a 400m rough strip, no probs!


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Found the best twin for a grass strip.


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If your usual load is just one or two people, consider a Robertson Modified Twin Comanche.
I have run mine out of a 2500 foot grass strip many years with no problems.

A 200 HP/side model is available, too. AHP N88AP


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Just get Twin Otter.

Lots of seats, great short field performance, and will fly with a huge amount of ice if you get caught in the stuff.

I have a few hundred hours in them (years ago).


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Just get Twin Otter.

Lots of seats, great short field performance, and will fly with a huge amount of ice if you get caught in the stuff.

I have a few hundred hours in them (years ago).


A few hundred hours in a Twin Otter! :woot: That must have been nearly 1000 miles. :duck:

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Take a look at the Angel 44. These planes are no nonsense STOL twins. I was pretty hot on them 6 or 7 years ago. They are relatively cheap to buy and operate. I was looking for a plane to operate in an out of strips in South America and the Caribbean.

Now here is the downside. I contacted an owner who had good things to say about the plane and also the support. However, he mentioned to me the engines ran hot. I asked how hot and he said CHTS in the 450F range. YIKES, I said.

I contacted Master to see if he or the folks at gami could help. The answer was that there are so few of these planes that its not worth the effort to design a baffle fix to overheating problem.

These planes have potential and perhaps they have solved the overheating problem. When I discussed it with them they seemed perplexed as the CHT limit was 450F and they seemed to think all was good.

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