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Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 13:14 |
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Joined: 05/19/09 Posts: 1004 Post Likes: +499 Location: Tulsa OK
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Why not a P2 baron? I moved from a B36TC and it takes a lot less distance as long as both engines keep running.
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Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 13:17 |
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Joined: 07/21/08 Posts: 5456 Post Likes: +6171 Location: Decatur, TX (XA99)
Aircraft: 1979 Bonanza A36
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Username Protected wrote: Why not a P2 baron? I moved from a B36TC and it takes a lot less distance as long as both engines keep running. I need 6 seats
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Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 13:32 |
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Joined: 05/19/09 Posts: 1004 Post Likes: +499 Location: Tulsa OK
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I have six seats in the 55 baron. The vast majority of time though the back two are removed.
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Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 13:53 |
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Joined: 07/21/08 Posts: 5456 Post Likes: +6171 Location: Decatur, TX (XA99)
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Username Protected wrote: Rstol 414 or 421 seem reasonable. I'd look carefully at exactly what loads you need. Short field performance is hugely variable with weight. I limit my B36TC to 3/4 fuel and 2 people on board when operating from my strip. its only 7 miles to the Decatur airport.
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Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 13:56 |
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Joined: 10/22/08 Posts: 4844 Post Likes: +2618 Location: Sherman, Tx
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Doug,
Contact pete Bedell (spelling?)
Has an E55 on short turf strip IIRC.
A 58 or a 55 would work IF you are willing to accept the lower safety margins.
Leldon
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Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 13:59 |
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Joined: 12/17/13 Posts: 6356 Post Likes: +5538 Location: Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA
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I really think the best for your mission would be a Commander. A 500B Shrike is the ultimate cabin class/bush plane combo there is. They have higher prop clearances, bigger wheels and shorter takeoffs than most of the competition. Real load haulers, too. Well supported with "normal" engines like the O-470 and IO-540. I had an old 520 for a few years. That thing took off like a homesick angel on crack. And although the 500B doesn't have as short a T/O, they're not far behind. You could easily be based at a sub 2000ft strip and takeoff fully loaded. No problem. Here I am taking off from Johnson Creek, ID at 5000ft elev. I estimate the T/O run to be about 1700ft. I had half load. Here I'm taking off in about 600ft at my home base El Monte, lightly loaded, with 2/3'rd flaps: [youtube]http://youtu.be/0zEhHJkUERE[/youtube] Here I'm landing on a dirt road in the Mojave desert: [youtube]http://youtu.be/DYyvamJT334[/youtube] Here I am taking off from Johnson Creek again at 5000ft elevation: [youtube]http://youtu.be/7lt8kohU9lU[/youtube] There simply aren't many twins that can compete with 500-series Commanders when it comes to bush capabilities in conjunction with cabin class. The TwinBo is probably the closest. Great prop clearance and big wheels on that too, but you're still dealing with geared engines that cost 2x as much to overhaul and have ridiculous 250hr prop AD's unless they've been modified costly.
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Post subject: Re: Choosing a twin for a short grass strip Posted: 17 Jun 2015, 14:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: I really think the best for your mission would be a Commander. A 500B Shrike is the ultimate cabin class/bush plane combo there is. They have higher prop clearances, bigger wheels and shorter takeoffs than most of the competition. Real load haulers, too. Well supported with "normal" engines like the O-470 and IO-540. ..... There simply aren't many twins that can compete with 500-series Commanders when it comes to bush capabilities in conjunction with cabin class. The TwinBo is probably the closest. Great prop clearance and big wheels on that too, but you're still dealing with geared engines that cost 2x as much to overhaul and have ridiculous 250hr prop AD's unless they've been modified costly. What he said! My 500B will haul over 800 lbs for 5 hours at 170 knots. It will do 180 knots if you wind it up a little but I cruise at 2,100 RPM and 70 lbs/side/hr just like the book says for economy cruise. A true Shrike even has a front door, and while a bit heavier, they are great too. Best kept secret in legacy piston twins . . .
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