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Thanks for Answering Tom,
Yea our 604 has gone through the roof but I wasn’t expecting twin-turbines to be so high. Increase in insurance plus training means you really have to want the extra 50 knots…


Does the 604 have a SFAR like the MU?


No nothing like that, just $250mm liability. Went from mid $20’s to upper $40’s in a couple years.

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Want a good bang for the buck look at the nextant 400

If you want to drag around a copilot.

I call it "chartering the human" since it comes with all the headaches of charter. I don't own my own airplane to have those headaches.

Now if they ever got single pilot authorization, then I'd be very interested.

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Want a good bang for the buck look at the nextant 400

If you want to drag around a copilot.

I call it "chartering the human" since it comes with all the headaches of charter. I don't own my own airplane to have those headaches.

Now if they ever got single pilot authorization, then I'd be very interested.

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I fully agree it’s her one weakness

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Sad but true , anytime you must depend on someone else .


Yet at the same time I have come to love Crew-flying when it is done right.
Obviously all the Lear flying is two pilot, always the same couple of pilots, and the "Team Sport" nature of the operation is very enjoyable to me.

I like being the right seater running the whole orchestra.
I like being the left seater concerned primarily about where the dirty side is pointing.
I will fly at night and in bad weather with a crew any day. :bud:

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Yet at the same time I have come to love Crew-flying when it is done right.

Me, too.

Everything about flying crew is wonderful when in the airplane.

Everything about flying crew is horrible when not in the airplane. Chartering the human.

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If the FAA Aeromedical Certification Division doesn't kill off general aviation, the insurance companies certainly will. Low to mid twenties to insure a $600,000 airplane? That make me sick. My insurance was around $8000 on my MU2 Marquise. Yes, it was a few years back, but $25k/year insurance is a big deterrent to operating a low cost twin turbine airplane. :sad:

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If the FAA Aeromedical Certification Division doesn't kill off general aviation, the insurance companies certainly will. Low to mid twenties to insure a $600,000 airplane? That make me sick. My insurance was around $8000 on my MU2 Marquise. Yes, it was a few years back, but $25k/year insurance is a big deterrent to operating a low cost twin turbine airplane. :sad:


Makes chartering a lot more attractive for low utilization.


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