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 Post subject: Totally premature, but which SP jet?
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Ok, so I just got a new plane, but if the next two years go like the last two years...

I'd like to be SP, speed, range, and field length matter. Thoughts?


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Great idea!!!... get that MU2 perfect and I'll buy it from you!!! now back to your subject.. I have no idea, paging Teddy!

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Ok, so I just got a new plane, but if the next two years go like the last two years...

I'd like to be SP, speed, range, and field length matter. Thoughts?


We sold an S/II last month. The maintenance was a little higher than I'd have liked and it drank a hair too much, but overall it was great.

Pretty fast (380-400 kts), 2000lbs first hour, 1200 each additional, 8 pax in total comfort, 10 with somebody on the potty. Easy to fly.

Very reasonable to buy (well below 1MM) with good (500 hr or so) engines. 100k to upgrade to Garmin glass.

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Depends on what price point you are talking and how many people...

First choice: Phenom 300
Second choice: CJ3+ with the new Garmin Stuff
Third choice: Premier 1A


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Ask Jason C to weigh in. He only looks at SP aircraft and spent a lot of time determining his aircraft selection.

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Looking at the B&CA costs this evening for the Eclipse 500 and it doesn't look that expensive in comparison to a SE piston on a per mile basis (if you don't consider cost of money). Buy one of those.


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I'd like to be SP, speed, range, and field length matter. Thoughts?


Can you specify the mission better? Typical stage lengths with what payload from what size fields? To what degree do you value operating costs vs. capital costs? What do you want it to do that the Mits doesn't?


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I'd like to be SP, speed, range, and field length matter. Thoughts?


Can you specify the mission better? Typical stage lengths with what payload from what size fields? To what degree do you value operating costs vs. capital costs? What do you want it to do that the Mits doesn't?


He owns an MU2, I'd say it's safe to assume that he doesn't like high capital costs.
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He owns an MU2, I'd say it's safe to assume that he doesn't like high capital costs.


True, but the MU2 also has very low DOC. And any move up is going to substantially increase one or both. So still useful to know his preferences :)


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Don't forget the Piaggio P180 Avanti. 400kts drinking 100gal/hr at 41000ft. You'll beat most jets at half the cost.

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Don't forget the Piaggio P180 Avanti. 400kts drinking 100gal/hr at 41000ft. You'll beat most jets at half the cost.


The other half the time the plane will be grounded because parts are delayed coming from Italy.

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Yes but as my 9 yo son would say the Avanti is cool!


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i buy airplanes the same way I do anything. I look for the most undervalued thing that puts out the most performance (usually something everyone else hates for what seems an illogical reason), I get acquainted with it (in this case I trained with Reece before I decided if I'd buy a Mits or not), and if there's a deal to be had I have it.

The next airplane I buy needs to be as fast as the airlines, let's say cruise for 2500NM at .86 in the 40s and I want a hot wing. I love the older Falcon 10 and Westwind, but I'd like better fuel efficiency and SP. It may be that such a bird doesn't exist, I don't know. If it does, I'm sure someone in hear knows about it. No more turbo prop; I like Piagio and the Cheyenne 400LS, but I've got a TP already. If I need to sacrifice one of my desires, I'll hire a SIC, but if there's a way to do this SP, that's what I'd prefer.

Is there anything that fits the bill?


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There's not too many airliners out there consistently cruising around at .86 and I'm not sure there is anything that will do .86 for 2500nm and be SP.

At .86 you're in GV, DA-7X, Citation X territory and any SP jet that's capable of 2500nm, (I'm not sure if any of them are) wont be above .76-.78 for very long.


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What's your mission and price?

Phenom 300 and CJ3 are more or less fast PC12's.

Most bang for the buck is the Mustang but you won't get the range nor should you as it's a good bit smaller than the others I listed.


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