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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 13:31 |
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300 knot cruise observed on most every flight. Cabin noise is noticeable on start , taxi, takeoff. Good at cruise but paxs will need headsets I think. Roomy cabin and cockpit. Have had a Vtail since 1974 so was wondering how this configuration would perform. Over sized ruddervators, in my opinion, with yaw dampener and Stability Augmentation System produces rock solid handling. Easy, quick start up and taxi. Minimal intialization procedure. First experience with Williams jet engines. Two channel FADEC. Very simple to manage. Excellent avionics and CAS(Crew Alerting System) Can extend range from ~1000 nm to ~1200 nm with econ cruise of about 240kts. Surprising find was how functional the manual elevator trim was to use. Frequently used it instead of the slow electric trim. Type completed in 9 days. Good instructors. Thorough ground school. Good FTD training device. Thorough but fair examiner. Knoxville is becoming a very busy training environment. Departure and approach are very aggressive at separating pop up VFR traffic from Downtown Airport,etc. Very bogey rich environment. Good demo of traffic warning and terrain warning systems in the Vision Jet. For SR-22 pilots, this is a very easy aircraft to operate and the room, speed, altitude will be an impressive upgrade. I think they have typed 600 hour pilots which is indicative of an easy jet to operate because of the excellent avionics integration and systems automation. I think an outfit called Atlanta Aviation will have one for rent shortly. Take a one hour hop and see how easy the jet is to operate.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 14:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think they have typed 600 hour pilots Sounds implausible. If each airplane can type a pilot in a week, that's 12 airplanes dedicated full time to type class for a full year to get to 600. Doesn't seem plausible given the small number of planes delivered so far. Also, what planes are these 600 pilots flying? That's about 15 to 20 pilots per delivered airplane. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 14:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think they have typed 600 hour pilots Sounds implausible. If each airplane can type a pilot in a week, that's 12 airplanes dedicated full time to type class for a full year to get to 600. Doesn't seem plausible given the small number of planes delivered so far. Also, what planes are these 600 pilots flying? That's about 15 to 20 pilots per delivered airplane. Mike C. I think he meant: "I think they have typed 600-hour pilots." They're not all folks with 3000 hours PIC time.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 16:02 |
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Looks like Cirrus/Garmin might be working on something new..... Attachment: 870DA667-C945-485D-9C25-BB7F261F310F.png Check out the altitude..... Cirrus SF50 2.0? Peace, Don
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 16:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: Looks like Cirrus/Garmin might be working on something new.....
Check out the altitude.....
Cirrus SF50 2.0?
Peace, Don Well now isn't that fascinating. Good find Don. Looks like they were climbing 1,200 FPM up to FL310 So why did they stop climbing? What is it different that allows them to go through the ceiling of FL280?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 17:51 |
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Could it be that the emergency decent feature in the Garmin A/P is the basis of a regulatory variance from the redundant pressurization source rule over FL280?
It would be pretty slick if a software update was all that was needed to bump the whole fleet up to FL310
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 17:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: [youtube]https://youtu.be/w4QuxNbi_8k[/youtube] I love this jet so much. I wonder if I could have the SF50 and an XCub in the hangar if I would stop longing for other aircraft? AG
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 18:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think he meant: "I think they have typed 600-hour pilots." Oh. Oops, my bad. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 09:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: I love this jet so much.
I wonder if I could have the SF50 and an XCub in the hangar if I would stop longing for other aircraft?
AG Ask Tom Gresham if he's had any luck with that practice..........
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 10:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Looks like Cirrus/Garmin might be working on something new..... Attachment: 870DA667-C945-485D-9C25-BB7F261F310F.png Check out the altitude..... Cirrus SF50 2.0? Peace, Don That's pretty close to where I live now; I need to head out there and do some recon.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 11:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: That SF50 is pretty sweet I must say, just wish it had a couple hundred more NMs. First time I see the parachute deployment. This has been said about nearly EVERY light jet ever built. And lots of not so light ones too. My hangar neighbor owns the Millennium Phenom, He wants more gas. The Mustang needs more gas. The straight CJ needs more gas. The Premier needs more gas. The Eclipse needs more gas. That is the norm in the class. But very often the -B model comes out with more gas. And the pilots/owners still want more.... And then they complain about the full fuel payload... I can name only a few light/midsize turbines that I've flown that have enough gas/payload. LR-45, King Air 350, Cheyenne III, but these are the exceptions, not the rule.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 12:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: My hangar neighbor owns the Millennium Phenom, He wants more gas. The Mustang needs more gas. The straight CJ needs more gas. The Premier needs more gas. The Eclipse needs more gas. That is the norm in the class. But very often the -B model comes out with more gas. And the pilots/owners still want more.... And then they complain about the full fuel payload...
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 12:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: That SF50 is pretty sweet I must say, just wish it had a couple hundred more NMs. First time I see the parachute deployment. This has been said about nearly EVERY light jet ever built. And lots of not so light ones too. My hangar neighbor owns the Millennium Phenom, He wants more gas. The Mustang needs more gas. The straight CJ needs more gas. The Premier needs more gas. The Eclipse needs more gas. That is the norm in the class. But very often the -B model comes out with more gas. And the pilots/owners still want more.... And then they complain about the full fuel payload... I can name only a few light/midsize turbines that I've flown that have enough gas/payload. LR-45, King Air 350, Cheyenne III, but these are the exceptions, not the rule.
Let's just add that it there is something else that I find appealing is the footprint of that plane, it fits well physically on a ramp or larger T-Hangar.
Regarding range, I know something about that topic... I fly for a living a Falcon 2000LXS and also the Challenger 605. No matter how you cut it there will always be a couple hundred NMs missing on any airframe and comes from the owner that writes the checks.
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