BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Feb 2019, 19:35

Username Protected wrote:

I believe you even thought it would never fly, never get certified and nobody would buy it.

Warren, don't lie about what I have said. I can speak for myself so I don't need you fabricating distortions about what I have said.

I've never said it wouldn't fly, wouldn't get certified, and people wouldn't buy it. What I said is that it will be an inferior jet and that putting a second engine on it would change that.

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People want to fly / ride in jets.

Because jets are quiet, fast, high flying, and safe, a reputation built on decades of twin jet history. The SF50 isn't quiet, or fast, or high flying, and lacks redundancy in thrust and other systems. it is basically a jet in name only, more like a turboprop but with all the jet negatives added on to it. The FAA agrees and ATC treats it like a turboprop since it lacks jet performance.

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It's hard to deny that the plane is a success.

At this stage in the program, the Eclipse had sold more, delivered more, and also had won the Collier. By that standard, you would have to call it a huge success, too. We now know, of course, it was a financial disaster being sold grossly under cost, and when repriced later to what it cost to make, didn't sell hardly at all.

The SF50 program has clearly not yet made an overall profit. Until it does, it cannot be a success in my view. Time will tell.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Feb 2019, 20:01

Mike - not sure if you are old enough to remember phonograph records. These records were an analog sound storage medium in the form of a flat disc with an inscribed, modulated spiral groove. Sometimes the disc can get damaged, and a stylus following the groove for playback can get re-directed back to the same groove and play the same part of the record over, and over, and over, and over, and over - again, and again, and again, and again, until someone goes to the player and gives it a <bump> to get it moving forward again to hear the rest of the recording.

<bump!!>

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Feb 2019, 20:12

Username Protected wrote:

Mike - not sure if you are old enough to remember phonograph records. These records were an analog sound storage medium in the form of a flat disc with an inscribed, modulated spiral groove. Sometimes the disc can get damaged, and a stylus following the groove for playback can get re-directed back to the same groove and play the same part of the record over, and over, and over, and over, and over - again, and again, and again, and again, until someone goes to the player and gives it a <bump> to get it moving forward again to hear the rest of the recording.

<bump!!>

Not positive but I don’t think Mike will be buying an SF50? :bang:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Feb 2019, 21:04

Username Protected wrote:

I've never said it wouldn't fly, wouldn't get certified, and people wouldn't buy it.

Mike C.

Yes you did. That's why this thread hundreds of pages longer than it needs to be. Just own it.

Remember when you said no single engine airplanes would ever be certified above FL250 because the FAA wouldn't allow it? haha.

Remember when you said 2 engine jets are cheaper to build than single engine jets? That was funny too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Feb 2019, 23:42

Username Protected wrote:

I believe you even thought it would never fly, never get certified and nobody would buy it.

Warren, don't lie about what I have said. I can speak for myself so I don't need you fabricating distortions about what I have said.

I've never said it wouldn't fly, wouldn't get certified, and people wouldn't buy it.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Feb 2019, 00:05

started here
https://beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 3#p1294983

then the question

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Have we got a deal? :-)

i doubt a deal was agreed on, if someone claims otherwise (or whatever), it means nothing without verification, or providing the relevant post(s)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Feb 2019, 00:54

Username Protected wrote:

Calling me a liar is insulting.

As is other people speaking for me.

Don't do it, then no issue. I'm happy to have you disagree with me, I'm not happy to have tell others what I have said wrongly. Speak to the argument, not the man, tearing me down doesn't progress the debate.

In none of your quotes do I say Cirrus won't get it flying, certified, or delivered. In many quotes I say clearly that Cirrus will get it flying, certified, and delivered, precisely because they aimed to achieved lackluster performance, so whatever false impression you formed should have been cleared up by that.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Feb 2019, 05:15

Username Protected wrote:

I'm not up to speed with the SF50 - what is a G2? Are they RVSM certified now? That is pretty cool.

generation 2
https://cirrusaircraft.com/cirrus-aircr ... ision-jet/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Feb 2019, 10:21

Username Protected wrote:

Please stick to saying what you think, you lie and deceive when you speak for others.

Mike C.

That's a violation of the Terms of Service.

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Feb 2019, 10:30

I know I’m right, I know I’m right, I’ve gotta be right.....don’t I

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Feb 2019, 10:41

Years and years ago as children we had a certain phrase that comes to mind:

“LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE”

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Feb 2019, 11:22

I don't check this thread very often because it has no real value and whatever the latest page is leaves me disgusted. This thread reminds me of the old "politics" thread which was the designated place people could go to misbehave. Eventually the Jeffs shut it down because it served no good purpose in the context of BT, consistently reduced the unique civility of the forum and caused unending and unnecessary personal rifts. I for one would appreciate their doing the same thing with this thread.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Feb 2019, 11:23

Ladies and gentlemen: let’s treat each other with some degree of respect on here please. We all share enjoying flight; let’s recognize what a gift it is and enjoy it. I left another board when the name calling and lack of respect outweighed the enjoyment of being on there.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Feb 2019, 11:56

Username Protected wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen: let’s treat each other with some degree of respect on here please. We all share enjoying flight; let’s recognize what a gift it is and enjoy it.

Thank you.

Mike C.

Cirrus SF50