banner
banner

29 Mar 2024, 06:18 [ UTC - 5; DST ]


Concorde Battery (banner)



This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 7667 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418 ... 512  Next
Username Protected Message
 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 13 May 2018, 18:15 
Online


 Profile




Joined: 01/31/09
Posts: 5233
Post Likes: +3026
Location: Northern NJ
Aircraft: SR22;CJ2+;C510
Username Protected wrote:
Maybe with a single engine jet you leave it running for a last burst of power before it seizes?


I have heard Williams say they have run their engines with little oil for hours without seizing. Same with P&WC PT6A.

Bearings may overheat and require replacemnent but most of the bearings in a turbine run on air cushions vs oil. Shutdown upon low oil pressure is to prevent an expensive maintenance event. If you need the engine for safety it will keep running.

_________________
Allen


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 20 May 2018, 23:32 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 05/10/09
Posts: 987
Post Likes: +262
Location: KBDR Bridgeport, CT
Aircraft: V35
Flightaware shows several flights over he following days...


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 08 Jul 2018, 18:48 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 01/30/08
Posts: 1136
Post Likes: +888
Location: San Diego CA.
Bump.

Maybe I missed it but have any BTers had a chance to take a demo flight yet?


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 15:53 
Offline


 Profile




Joined: 04/06/11
Posts: 59
Post Likes: +68
Aircraft: M600
Here's a repost from page 399 of this thread:

I flew the SF50 last week. I have also flown an Eclipse, a Mustang, a TBM, a M500 and currently own an M600. With the exception of the Meridians, my time in the other plans were just demo flights. The Eclipse was more of a cross country from San Diego to Salt Lake City and I have about five hours in the TBM.

You guys really need to fly an SF50 to understand it before making some of these comments. For a piston step up plane, it's incredible and easily beats the competition. It is dirt simple to fly. I'm not talking about stick and rudder stuff - frankly once the engines are going all these planes are pretty easy to fly. I mean everything about it is simple. From start to landing to avionics to check lists, to training to maintenance, it is by far the least complicated plane to fly in this class. This is going to appeal to every piston pilot, especially Cirrus pilots and Garmin glass guys that are ready for more but are scared a twin jet is too much. It also has lower operating costs than either the Eclipse or the Mustang.

The interior of the SF50 is better than the TBM, the Meridians and the Eclipse. It's bigger with more cargo room and better pilot comfort. I liked the Mustang a little better on the inside but I prefer facing seats in the back. The visibility and windows on the SF50 are staggeringly big.

Unless you need the range (which I do) or runway performance of a TP, I'd rather have a SF50 over a TBM or any Meridian. The TBM and M600 beat it on load too which can be a deal breaker for the SF50 buyer.

I agree flying at FL410 makes weather flying a lot easier than FL280 but new vs. new the SF50 is at least a million less than an Eclipse or Mustang and is much easier to learn. Soon enough we'll be able to compare used vs. used and I bet the SF50 will do really well against the used competition when that day comes.

Cirrus is gong to sell a bunch of these. They have done a better job of making the leap from piston to turbine much more approachable than any competitor.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 16:00 
Offline


 Profile




Joined: 05/23/08
Posts: 6059
Post Likes: +702
Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
Aircraft: TBM - C185 - T206
I dont see bigger windows as an advantage.
Flying in the FL the sun is so strong and most of the time im trying to find a way to block it on the windshield and pilot/copilot side windows.
Those large picture windows on the SF50 would be a problem not an advantage.

_________________
Former Baron 58 owner.
Pistons engines are for tractors.

Marc Bourdon


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 16:34 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 08/16/15
Posts: 2868
Post Likes: +3578
Location: Ogden UT
Aircraft: Piper M600
I feel like you do Marc. I have struggled with this in the flight levels in my M600. The sun is brutal up there above most of the protective atmosphere. There are a bunch of threads in fact on several aviation forums right now, on just how to block the sun. These planes spend 90% of their life too high to see much out the windows anyway, and leaving Vegas this morning right at 100 degrees. We had the internal window shades up right until engine start, and the amount of heating that occurred in that short period of time is pretty amazing.

We do abbreviate the checklist on these days. Step 1 start engine turn on AC, step 2. find the checklist. ;) Right now we are talking about trying the Jetshades to block out our tiny, little, microscopic windows. Those big windows in the SF50 do sell in the show room or low level demo flights, but for day to day flight level travel, not my preference. As far as pax, it is all I can do to get them to keep the pull down shades up until 10,000 feet. First thing they do is pull those shades to see their iPads better. :)

_________________
Chuck Ivester
Piper M600
Ogden UT


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 21:38 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 01/01/10
Posts: 3435
Post Likes: +2388
Location: Roseburg, Oregon
Aircraft: Citation Mustang
I agree about the windows. Another thing I like about the Mustang is the glass. It has smaller windows than the CJs, and it's an advantage. In the flight levels you're looking to minimize the window area, not maximize.

_________________
Previous A36TN owner


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 21:43 
Offline


 Profile




Joined: 05/23/08
Posts: 6059
Post Likes: +702
Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
Aircraft: TBM - C185 - T206
Exactly
Dont know why Cirrus make such a big fuss about all this glass.

Username Protected wrote:
I agree about the windows. Another thing I like about the Mustang is the glass. It has smaller windows than the CJs, and it's an advantage. In the flight levels you're looking to minimize the window area, not maximize.

_________________
Former Baron 58 owner.
Pistons engines are for tractors.

Marc Bourdon


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 23:49 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 12/03/14
Posts: 19252
Post Likes: +23615
Company: Ciholas, Inc
Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
Username Protected wrote:
Dont know why Cirrus make such a big fuss about all this glass.

Like much of the SF50 concept, having large windows sounds good to piston pilots who have never flown in the flight levels.

Mike C.

_________________
Email mikec (at) ciholas.com


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 10 Jul 2018, 00:41 
Offline



 Profile




Joined: 11/22/12
Posts: 2572
Post Likes: +2330
Company: Retired
Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
Aircraft: 1993 Bonanza A36TN
Username Protected wrote:
Like much of the SF50 concept, having large windows sounds good to piston pilots who have never flown in the flight levels.
Which is the point, since that is the target market for an entry-level jet. Making your entry-level product only appeal to customers who aren't entry-level is the kind of mistake Cirrus avoids.

This "sun too bright at altitude" thinking was also the reason for the triangular (narrow end up) windows of the early Sabreliner. But salesmen complained that it made the cabin gloomy on the ground, where prospects first saw it. The later models went to bigger, squarer windows.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 10 Jul 2018, 00:49 
Offline



User avatar
 WWW  Profile




Joined: 06/28/09
Posts: 14129
Post Likes: +9075
Location: Walnut Creek, CA (KCCR)
Aircraft: 1962 Twin Bonanza
I love the big windows on the Pilatus... I wish they were even bigger. I just clip the torque chart to the visor to block the sun.

_________________
http://calipilot.com
atp/cfii


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 10 Jul 2018, 07:16 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 11/23/12
Posts: 2372
Post Likes: +2870
Company: CSRA Document Solutions
Location: Aiken, SC KAIK
Meanwhile over at Cirrus they keep building and delivering jets.

Too slow
Flies too low
Not enough range
Single engine
Tough training
Big windows

What’s next - real jets have dual tires on the main landing gear?

Good thing several of you guys aren’t on their design team or they’d have a plane that looks just like a citation.

Personal jet, great price point....selling faster than they can make them.....

Peace,
Don

Attachment:
F2480894-0E2F-46F2-A8E7-E1FDA5E5CA80.png


Please login or Register for a free account via the link in the red bar above to download files.


Last edited on 10 Jul 2018, 13:13, edited 1 time in total.

Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 10 Jul 2018, 09:07 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 11/06/10
Posts: 11885
Post Likes: +2848
Company: Looking
Location: Outside Boston, or some hotel somewhere
Aircraft: None
Username Protected wrote:
I agree about the windows. Another thing I like about the Mustang is the glass. It has smaller windows than the CJs, and it's an advantage. In the flight levels you're looking to minimize the window area, not maximize.


How often do you think the Cirrus will get to 30+ or even 40k?
The jet is designed around the short flight, where you spend more time climbing and descending. It is not made for hours and hours in the flight levels.

Tim


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 10 Jul 2018, 09:14 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 12/03/14
Posts: 19252
Post Likes: +23615
Company: Ciholas, Inc
Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
Username Protected wrote:
How often do you think the Cirrus will get to 30+ or even 40k?
The jet is designed around the short flight, where you spend more time climbing and descending. It is not made for hours and hours in the flight levels.

Well, at least one flaw (lack of range, altitude) covers up another one (too much window area).

Mike C.

_________________
Email mikec (at) ciholas.com


Top

 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
PostPosted: 10 Jul 2018, 09:17 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 12/03/14
Posts: 19252
Post Likes: +23615
Company: Ciholas, Inc
Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
Username Protected wrote:
selling faster than they can make them.....

Which planes aren't sold before they are made?

Mike C.

_________________
Email mikec (at) ciholas.com


Top

Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 7667 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418 ... 512  Next




You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  

Terms of Service | Forum FAQ | Contact Us

BeechTalk, LLC is the quintessential Beechcraft Owners & Pilots Group providing a forum for the discussion of technical, practical, and entertaining issues relating to all Beech aircraft. These include the Bonanza (both V-tail and straight-tail models), Baron, Debonair, Duke, Twin Bonanza, King Air, Sierra, Skipper, Sport, Sundowner, Musketeer, Travel Air, Starship, Queen Air, BeechJet, and Premier lines of airplanes, turboprops, and turbojets.

BeechTalk, LLC is not affiliated or endorsed by the Beechcraft Corporation, its subsidiaries, or affiliates. Beechcraft™, King Air™, and Travel Air™ are the registered trademarks of the Beechcraft Corporation.

Copyright© BeechTalk, LLC 2007-2024

.blackhawk-85x100-2019-09-25.jpg.
.Marsh.jpg.
.one-mile-up-85x100.png.
.Wentworth_85x100.JPG.
.stanmusikame-85x50.jpg.
.blackwell-85x50.png.
.pdi-85x50.jpg.
.wat-85x50.jpg.
.gallagher_85x50.jpg.
.tat-85x100.png.
.ssv-85x50-2023-12-17.jpg.
.Latitude.jpg.
.kingairnation-85x50.png.
.sierratrax-85x50.png.
.shortnnumbers-85x100.png.
.headsetsetc_Small_85x50.jpg.
.Wingman 85x50.png.
.midwest2.jpg.
.Rocky-Mountain-Turbine-85x100.jpg.
.geebee-85x50.jpg.
.cav-85x50.jpg.
.bpt-85x50-2019-07-27.jpg.
.ei-85x150.jpg.
.ABS-85x100.jpg.
.centex-85x50.jpg.
.kadex-85x50.jpg.
.avionwealth-85x50.png.
.aviationdesigndouble.jpg.
.avfab-85x50-2018-12-04.png.
.aircraftassociates-85x50.png.
.aeroled-85x50-2022-12-06.jpg.
.AAI.jpg.
.daytona.jpg.
.jandsaviation-85x50.jpg.
.wilco-85x100.png.
.saint-85x50.jpg.
.pure-medical-85x150.png.
.camguard.jpg.
.SCA.jpg.
.Foreflight_85x50_color.png.
.kingairacademy-85x100.png.
.Genesys_85x50.jpg.
.CiESVer2.jpg.
.boomerang-85x50-2023-12-17.png.
.chairmanaviation-85x50.jpg.
.bullardaviation-85x50-2.jpg.
.traceaviation-85x150.png.
.aircraftferry-85x50.jpg.
.tempest.jpg.
.planelogix-85x100-2015-04-15.jpg.
.concorde.jpg.
.jetacq-85x50.jpg.
.MountainAirframe.jpg.
.airmart-85x150.png.
.lucysaviation-85x50.png.
.temple-85x100-2015-02-23.jpg.
.dbm.jpg.