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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 17:25 |
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Joined: 12/16/07 Posts: 17630 Post Likes: +21395 Company: Real Estate development Location: Addison -North Dallas(ADS), Texas
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Username Protected wrote: The SF-50 is underpowered, grossly inefficient, altitude-limited, lacking in range and useful load, has an ugly V-tail, has been stupidly made with one engine, and it's being sold to novice, ignorant pilots who will crash a lot. (I thought there should be a summary of the hundreds of previous pages in this thread to get everyone up to speed on the discussion...) And with upgrades, those pilots may produce low level sonic booms
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 19:13 |
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Joined: 11/22/12 Posts: 2598 Post Likes: +2362 Company: Retired Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
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Username Protected wrote: Isn't the service ceiling 28k? It's currently certified only to FL280 but it's physically capable of climbing higher. I looked at FlightAware logs of SF50 flights that were 1) at least 2 hours, so probably taking off near gross, 2) went to FL280 and 3) in a continuous climb the last 5,000', so no zoom climbs. Of course the rate of climb slowed as they neared level-off but they were doing 800-900 fpm as they passed through FL270. That implies the physical service ceiling, where best rate of climb falls to 100 fpm, is well into the 30s. If/when RVSM is simplified as outlined in the NPRM, raising the legal ceiling of FL300 should involve little more than some flight testing and paperwork. Of course there's not much incentive to do that while whittling away on a backlog of 600 deposits but in a few years, when the order book is down to just a year or so, Cirrus could add it as a feature of 2.0 to entice early adopters to trade up.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 21:42 |
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Joined: 11/22/12 Posts: 2598 Post Likes: +2362 Company: Retired Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
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Username Protected wrote: Backlog of 600 deposits? Why ZERO deliveries first half of 2017? 'Cause that number's wrong. FAA registration shows 10 delivered, serials #6 through #16 (#14 missing), and FlightAware shows them flying. Serials #17 through #20 are also shown flying in Duluth, not yet delivered. The stated goal of delivering 40 this year looks doable.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 10:12 |
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Joined: 01/30/09 Posts: 6088 Post Likes: +3381 Location: Oklahoma City, OK (KPWA)
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Username Protected wrote: I was at KTYS in May when one was being delivered by proxy (paperwork signed by proxy and then flown to the new owner).
...pretty cool seeing it depart.. I bet. Lucky owners. I agree with Mike on the technicals of the airplane, but I still want one.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 12:39 |
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Joined: 11/22/12 Posts: 2598 Post Likes: +2362 Company: Retired Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
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Username Protected wrote: [I agree with Mike on the technicals of the airplane I dunno. I'd find his argument that it would be cheaper as a twin jet more compelling if there actually were any cheaper twin jets. Without that, his case boils down to saying that a twin would be better, albeit more expensive, and they gave up a lot to make it the cheapest production jet. Nothing groundbreaking there.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 14:00 |
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Joined: 08/22/12 Posts: 523 Post Likes: +281
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Seen in final approach to KFDk last week. Couldn't believe my eyes and snapped a picture. I said to my wife- that's too big to be a V tail Bonanza!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 14:37 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14576 Post Likes: +22951 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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Username Protected wrote: Seen in final approach to KFDk last week. Couldn't believe my eyes and snapped a picture. I said to my wife- that's too big to be a V tail Bonanza! your picture is a good example of why i cringe at the appearance of these. There is one angle from the offset-front where it looks good. Every other angle looks like a 1-off homebuilt design gone horribly wrong. Don't get me wrong, I'd take one in a heartbeat. But it sure is homely from the outside.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 15:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Hmmm. I walked all around them and up in one, and I saw a couple flying, and I think they look and feel pretty cool.
Individual tastes... What is the phrase? So ugly only a mother could love him? Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 15:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: your picture is a good example of why i cringe at the appearance of these. There is one angle from the offset-front where it looks good. Every other angle looks like a 1-off homebuilt design gone horribly wrong. Don't get me wrong, I'd take one in a heartbeat. But it sure is homely from the outside. I sat in one with my wife at the NBAA Expo at MMU. The interior makes a Mustang cockpit look antiquated. Spending most of a pilots time inside I could almost forget it has one engine.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 17:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Hmmm. I walked all around them and up in one, and I saw a couple flying, and I think they look and feel pretty cool.
Individual tastes... What is the phrase? So ugly only a mother could love him? Tim
No fan of the typical cirrus, but the jet looks cool--like a new age Bonanza.
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