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I have a friend who sells aviation insurance. I have told him he needs to get ready for the pilots that will be transitioning straight from piston singles to turbines.

Anyone know how this is being handled with the SF50?

Easy to fly or not... underwriters freak out when they see 0 turbine time.

Does single piston to single jet negate the need for twin time?

This is nothing new. There’s a whole bunch of us that have gone from piston singles to turbines. Underwriters have been dealing with it for years.


Cirrus has done an outstanding job with this topic respects the underwriting companies. Their facility in Knoxville is absolutely top notch and over the last year or two they have as an OEM invited all the insurers to visit and meet with their team to address this topic specifically. We have insured a couple of Vision Jets thus far in 2017 and judging from the amount of market interest the insurers have in quoting this aircraft (even for single-engine piston transitions) I don't forsee any issues whatsoever.

As Clint noted the insurers have been transitioning single-engine piston pilots into MEL turbines for years with great success (Mustang, Phenom 100 and Eclipse noteworthy).

Sounds like fake news ... haha :cheers:
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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Easy to fly or not... underwriters freak out when they see 0 turbine time.

Does single piston to single jet negate the need for twin time?

Ha. Dude...... How did I do it? I had ZERO turbine time and went to a much more expensive PC12.

1 week of SIMCOM.. 20 hours with a mentor pilot. Nobody freaked out. In fact, it was easy.

Why would one need twin time to fly a single?


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Why would one need twin time to fly a single?


That is piston think. Not the new math of Cirrus that a turbine is efficient in the mid 20s, or that the lowest, slowest and cheapest makes sense....

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I have a friend who sells aviation insurance. I have told him he needs to get ready for the pilots that will be transitioning straight from piston singles to turbines.

Anyone know how this is being handled with the SF50?

Easy to fly or not... underwriters freak out when they see 0 turbine time.

Does single piston to single jet negate the need for twin time?

This is nothing new. There’s a whole bunch of us that have gone from piston singles to turbines. Underwriters have been dealing with it for years.

What were the training/mentor requirements?
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What were the training/mentor requirements?


I'd be interested in this as well, we have a guy who's trying to transition from single piston to turbine twin and he's feeling pretty looked down upon.

Is it easier to go to a jet, than say a Mustang or CJ than a King Air?

This is only the second time I've encountered this. The first was Lance Neibauer transitioning from a 4P turbine to a 980 Commander (over 15 years ago) but he at least had turbine time.

Fun fact- Lance is a natural pilot... he flew the first Lancair prototype himself, though he didn't even have a pilot's license when he started building the airplane. I rode with him on his third flight in the 980, he flew it like he was born in it.

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A local guy is moving from piston single to a turbine malibu. For insurance he went to a week of piper school (not sure where) and he needs 20 hours in his own plane dual before taking passengers. He's smartly realized that's not enough experience to really learn how to use his new plane effectively, so he's asked to ride along on some of my night king air runs and with others doing similar things.


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A local guy is moving from piston single to a turbine malibu. For insurance he went to a week of piper school (not sure where) and he needs 20 hours in his own plane dual before taking passengers. He's smartly realized that's not enough experience to really learn how to use his new plane effectively, so he's asked to ride along on some of my night king air runs and with others doing similar things.

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That is a pretty common requirement and the amount of mentoring (you mentioned 20 hrs) will be driven by his underlying experience, what flown prior, how much flight time overall and in perhaps pressurized or high performance aircraft. So that mentor number will vary based on the experience one is bringing to the table at the time of the transition. It is very wise of him (and actually refreshing to see) to go outside of the insurers requirements to gain addition turbine operating experience even if it isn't in his make/model. That is a good receipe for success right there and a nice conservative approach. :cheers:

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A local guy is moving from piston single to a turbine malibu. For insurance he went to a week of piper school (not sure where) and he needs 20 hours in his own plane dual before taking passengers. He's smartly realized that's not enough experience to really learn how to use his new plane effectively, so he's asked to ride along on some of my night king air runs and with others doing similar things.

Does he need 20 hours with someone having significant in-type time riding shotgun, or is that solo post-school?

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What were the training/mentor requirements?

I was coming out of an A36. First, I had to do the three-day orientation course at FlightSafety. That's just three days designed to get you familiar with a FTD, learn some of the sim stuff, learn the checklist, start on CRM, start learning the avionics, hands on. Then I did the two-week initial and finished with the check ride. At that point I had a type rating that was crew only, not single pilot. Then I flew 25 hours in the airplane with a mentor to work off my SOE requirement. Then I went back for the 5-day single pilot rating and finished with the check ride. The next day I flew home solo from Wichita. It took about 2.5 months from beginning to end with some schedule delays. It was worth every minute of it.

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Coming out of a Mooney Bravo with a commercial and a twin rating. Had a whole 7.5 hours of twin time.

I got my type rating in the airplane in two and a half weeks. Doing that I was able to do the mentoring in a weekend 9 years ago.

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Easy to fly or not... underwriters freak out when they see 0 turbine time.




No they don't. I had 0 turbine time and went straight into the "twin turbine from hell" with no issue at all. In fact everyone told me I was crazy and wouldn't be able to afford the insurance on the MU2. I was actually pleasantly surprised how easy it was and how cheap.


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certainly tucked behind the faster ones...


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