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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 10:08 |
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Joined: 01/16/11 Posts: 11105 Post Likes: +7090 Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
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Username Protected wrote: Pilatus PC12 sales up over 30% right now. If "they're doing it wrong" then how come they're so successful? All the "GA is dying" folks are looking in the wrong direction. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... st-436772/If you review GA and JetA sales for GA, is it really less than the 'glory' years. When I go to the ramp, I see 4 to 5 times as many jets and turbines as I do pistons.........with the TBM, Meridian, PC12, and soon to be Denali, you have a host of options and choices. I believe that the meridian's are at a similar price point both operationally to most of the 6 seat singles on a per mile basis. If you can travel with pressurization, speed and all weather capabilities, you get incredible utility out of your airplane.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 10:34 |
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Joined: 01/31/12 Posts: 3094 Post Likes: +5447 Company: French major Location: France
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Username Protected wrote: Go to Europe and come back in your palatapus....then we have something to talk about. Fair enough..... but even though I haven't done it YET..... It is done in PC12's every day. I do however cross the Gulf Of Mexico and fly to St. Barth/BVI regularly. So my "hours over open ocean" are VERY high. Pilatus PC12 sales up over 30% right now. If "they're doing it wrong" then how come they're so successful? All the "GA is dying" folks are looking in the wrong direction. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... st-436772/
Just to be pedantic, if you have flown to St Barth, you've flown to Europe, since it is part of France. If you fly to St Martin, it's even better, it's also part of the EU. There you go, I saved you a few hours doing a transat'.
On this side of the pond, I wonder about an SF50. The type rating is mandatory for any jet, no difference there. But how noisy is that thing? That could come in handy if it were really quiet.
No worries about drift down altitude over the Alps, that's a plus.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 11:01 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: If you review GA and JetA sales for GA, is it really less than the 'glory' years. When I go to the ramp, I see 4 to 5 times as many jets and turbines as I do pistons.........with the TBM, Meridian, PC12, and soon to be Denali, you have a host of options and choices.
Turbines are a lot more efficient now than in the olden days. The ramp used to be full or Lears.... Now it's full of PC12s.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 15:51 |
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Joined: 05/13/11 Posts: 127 Post Likes: +49
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Not sure if this thread is still about the SF50, but it looks like this article was just published by Flying: http://www.flyingmag.com/we-fly-cirrus-sf50-vision-jetapologies if it's old news, my browser says it was posted a couple of hours ago. EDIT: it's a teaser / exec summary to buy the next issue of Flying
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 16:32 |
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Joined: 08/18/11 Posts: 320 Post Likes: +288 Company: American Aviation, Inc. Location: Hayden Lake, ID
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Username Protected wrote: If you're up for some light reading, check out the FAA's FSB report on the SF50. Some weird stuff--apparently slips to a landing can cause stick shaker/stick pusher activation? Also interesting was the Power Off 180-Degree Accuracy Approach and spot Landing (which the Type Rating PTS requires to be performed at 1,000 ft. AGL or less) is waived for the issuance of an SF50 type rating. The FSB went on to say that if the type rating practical test is conducted concurrently with the initial issuance of a commercial pilot certificate, this maneuver must be trained and checked in a separate airplane which is capable of the maneuver. Also noted was that between 1,000 and 2,000 feet AGL, Cirrus recommends utilization of the CAPS system if the engine fails. Below 1,000 ft. AGL the CAPS system must not be deployed, and Cirrrus recommends limited maneuvering and does not recommend a 180 degree turn at those altitudes. The FSB also determined that the SF50 is not suitable for Single-Engine Instrument Flight Rules (SEIFR) Passenger-Carrying operations under part 135.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 16:49 |
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Joined: 11/11/12 Posts: 1565 Post Likes: +818 Location: san francisco (KHAF)
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Username Protected wrote: Below 1,000 ft. AGL the CAPS system must not be deployed, and Cirrrus recommends limited maneuvering and does not recommend a 180 degree turn at those altitudes. Really?? How can this be reasonable? Lots of DPs require 180 degree or greater turns, like the BUCHANAN ONE off 19R at KCCR. Those turns start well below 1000 AGL. Attachment: FlightAware_CCR_DP_BUCHANAN ONE.png
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 17:21 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14563 Post Likes: +22916 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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the printing on some of these charts is too small. I expanded the relevant section so you can see it
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 18:29 |
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Joined: 11/11/12 Posts: 1565 Post Likes: +818 Location: san francisco (KHAF)
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Username Protected wrote: The previous line said "if the engine fails." So if the engine fails below 1,000 ft. AGL, the CAPS system must not be deployed, and Cirrrus recommends limited maneuvering and does not recommend a 180 degree turn at those altitudes. Thank you. That makes a lot more sense. :p
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 May 2017, 13:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: Pilatus PC12 sales up over 30% right now. If "they're doing it wrong" then how come they're so successful? All the "GA is dying" folks are looking in the wrong direction. Well, yeah, no one doubts that PC12 kind of GA is doing quite well. "GA is dying" folks are talking about the GA an average plumber Joe can afford.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 May 2017, 13:25 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14563 Post Likes: +22916 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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Username Protected wrote: Pilatus PC12 sales up over 30% right now. If "they're doing it wrong" then how come they're so successful? All the "GA is dying" folks are looking in the wrong direction. Well, yeah, no one doubts that PC12 kind of GA is doing quite well. "GA is dying" folks are talking about the GA an average plumber Joe can afford. I would say that "joe the plumber" GA is fine too. Lots of people building Rans, Kitfox, etc. It's the planes in the middle that used to be bought by "adam the accountant" that aren't doing so well.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 May 2017, 13:54 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: Well, yeah, no one doubts that PC12 kind of GA is doing quite well. "GA is dying" folks are talking about the GA an average plumber Joe can afford.
In the grand scheme of GA..... PC12=Joe Plumber GA is anything using an FBO.
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