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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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A twin would have been faster, simpler, cheaper to design and certify.
And a whole lot more expensive to build.

Nope, about the same.

A pair of PW610F and one FJ33-5A are about the same cost to the OEM and produce about the same total thrust.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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The legacy airplanes are more complicated, a lot more complicated.

Use your vast experience and explain exactly where they are more complicated. Give details.

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Mike... Mike... Mike...

I don't have experience designing airplanes for Cessna, or turning wrenches on them for that matter... I have experience managing them through maintenance events. If a mechanic tells me they are easier to work on, I just believe him... I don't question him.

If the tech reps at Cessna talk about the CJ series being designed to be easier to produce and easier to maintain because of better design... I believe them. If they say it has a lot fewer parts and the systems are designed better, simpler and more reliable... I believe them.

I know you come to this forumn to learn and that's great... but at some point you're going to have to put on your big girl panties, buy a jet... and gain some experience yourself.
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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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This thread is surreal. Now the non-pilot is lecturing the engineer on aircraft complication. Snidely.

Agreed -- :popcorn:


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This thread is surreal. Now the non-pilot is lecturing the engineer on aircraft complication. Snidely.

Agreed -- :popcorn:


I'm the only sober guy posting right now........nursing my knees.............Troncones is gonna be jacked up tomorrow..........15ft faces.........gulp!!!

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Two comments - I'm sober but it is 923AM, so that isn't saying much:

1) Mike. That dog is huge in the PC12 ad. Big puppy!
2) Chip. Would you provide a picture of big gurl/girl panties? I'm unsure what those are, exactly.
3) I'd still sell my liver for the pilatus jet.
4) Penman - how did it turn out? Nursing or ok?

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Pretty sure CAPS event 68 was initiated by the passenger.

That was after they hit two sets of power lines at about 100 ft AGL, an altitude where the chute doesn't work. The power lines were 1 mile from the runway.

Also, this was a case where the pilot wasn't incapacitated. His own statement:

At approximately 19:20 airplane slammed into a sharp nose down attitude, a moment later while trying to regain control, the plane made few left and right violent moves, I noticed wires, which made me realize we had hit the power line. Immediately pulled the throttle and the mixture back and reached for chute handle but noticed that it was not there, quickly looked and noticed that the passenger (my wife) has already pulled the handle and her hand was still holding it.

Still not a single case where a passenger saved themselves by initiating a chute pull in a Cirrus aircraft.

The concept that an SR passenger could save themselves with a chute pull provides emotional comfort but has yet to be seen in practice after ~7 million flight hours. During those hours, we've seen numerous examples of when PILOTS didn't activate the chute when they should, so why do we believe a passenger can know when to do it?

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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1) Mike. That dog is huge in the PC12 ad. Big puppy!

Standard safety equipment on a Swiss built airplane. The dog is there to render aid when you are lost in the Alps due to an engine failure.

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Two comments - I'm sober...

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Still not a single case where a passenger saved themselves by initiating a chute pull in a Cirrus aircraft.

Mike,

I agree that pilot incapacitation is not a common event and that the Cirrus parachute is unlikely to save very many folks in that pilot-incapacitation scenario ....because that scenario is uncommon.

As we discussed here last week, there was in fact a Cirrus whose pilot became incapacitated from a medical issue in Indiana, and the right seat passenger pulled the chute, and the 3 passengers lived.

I know you're quibbling about this by carefully using the word "initiating" in this discussion (and the story is that the incapacitated pilot urged the passenger to pull the red handle), but the fact is that all 4 of those folks would have been dead that day if the passenger had not pulled the red handle.

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I know you're quibbling about this by carefully using the word "initiating" in this discussion (and the story is that the incapacitated pilot urged the passenger to pull the red handle), but the fact is that all 4 of those folks would have been dead that day if the passenger had not pulled the red handle.


How do you know one of the passengers wasn't there that day, over Macho Grande.

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Two comments - I'm sober but it is 923AM, so that isn't saying much:


2) Chip. Would you provide a picture of big gurl/girl panties? I'm unsure what those are, exactly.


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Thanks Doug!!

:coffee:

I should give credit to Aubie Pearman for that line.

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Jeff and Jeff should send Cirrus a big fat bill for this thread, they have received more advertising from a single thread than a top ad agency fueled by a massive advertising budget could have achieved in two years!

If it wasn't for this thread, I might not even know the toy jet existed!

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