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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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I'm starting to understand.......

300kts or so....(a few turbo-props are faster and go further)
FL 280 and Below.....(no rvsm manual required)
1000-1200nm range....(reasonable)
4-6/7 place seating (curious of the range with 6-7 peeps and bags?)
Price point is appealing, even at $1.9m ish

This is a great pathway for cirrus customers looking to stay on the cirrus bandwagon.

I'm still a bit skeptical of real world performance in the ATC system. If this bird is sluggish in the climb, how accommodating will ATC be to get it up in the flight levels where it will need to be to realize any speed and range?

Having spent a few years flying in the 20's, this is where the fugly weather tends to be. I fear the outcomes of the chest beating "I have a jet" bravado to push the limits of aircraft and pilot capability. I hope Cirrus goes above and beyond in training for these fortunate clients.

I like my CJ that goes to the upper 30's or so......yes, I needed to develop an RVSM manual, but it wasn't difficult to do so. Goes about the same distance carrying similar passenger counts. Goes a bit faster, and has a potty for emergencies. Burns more, but goes faster and climbs faster and goes higher, above all but nastiest of CB's.

Yes, mine is used, and doesn't have touch screen. But it has heated leading edge anti-ice. Lots of redundant systems, excellent service and support, and lots of pathways for upgrading.

I like the cirrus jet. I think it will be successful by measuring units on order and units delivered. I also think that the customers will be quickly yearning for more.

Time will tell.


Excellent summary, IMO.

This thing was not created to be bought, it was created to be SOLD. That, it will. And resold, quickly; but that doesn't make it bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Aviation Journalist Curmudgeon Extraordinaire, Paul Bertorelli, on the Vision

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He likes it a lot because he sees a very well executed version of what Cirrus set out to build instead of what all the "experts" with no risk in the game said they should.

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As of Oshkosh, Cirrus had delivered 7 Vision Jets, we have been involved with 2 of them.

All of our clients have had only really good things to say.


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I may stand corrected but was reviewing GAMA 2017 first HALF deliveries (Honda thread brough this up) and I think it showed Zero deliveries.

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The SF50 looks well-placed to take advantage of the recent NPRM on making RVSM cheaper and easier. It already has the dual systems and fancy autopilot. A couple more flight levels would really help the fuel burn and range. Maybe once they catch up a bit with deliveries they'll put it in the SF50 2.0


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Yes, and improve engine with twice the power, and half the fuel burn with less weight :bow:
Sign me up!!

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The SF50 looks well-placed to take advantage of the recent NPRM on making RVSM cheaper and easier. It already has the dual systems and fancy autopilot. A couple more flight levels would really help the fuel burn and range. Maybe once they catch up a bit with deliveries they'll put it in the SF50 2.0


Isn't the service ceiling 28k? :scratch:

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Isn't the service ceiling 28k? :scratch:


Geesh Sam, are you trying to bring me back to reality :D
I'm sure that was just so they could move through the certification process quicker, wasn't it?

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Geesh Sam, are you trying to bring me back to reality :D
I'm sure that was just so they could move through the certification process quicker, wasn't it?


Not sure Dave. This thread went to sleep, along with the plane, a long long time ago. :D

Can't believe somebody is trying to resurrect it. Good luck. Wish you the best.
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The SF-50 is underpowered, grossly inefficient, altitude-limited, lacking in range and useful load, has an ugly V-tail, has been stupidly made with one engine, and it's being sold to novice, ignorant pilots who will crash a lot. :bugeye:

(I thought there should be a summary of the hundreds of previous pages in this thread to get everyone up to speed on the discussion...) :D
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The SF-50 is underpowered, grossly inefficient, altitude-limited, lacking in range and useful load, has an ugly V-tail, has been stupidly made with one engine, and it's being sold to novice, ignorant pilots who will crash a lot. :bugeye:

(I thought there should be a summary of the hundreds of previous pages in this thread to get everyone up to speed on the discussion...) :D
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:clap: :clap: On another level, but similar to the Cessna 182! Those didn't sell either.

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The SF-50 is underpowered, grossly inefficient, altitude-limited, lacking in range and useful load, has an ugly V-tail, has been stupidly made with one engine, and it's being sold to novice, ignorant pilots who will crash a lot. :bugeye:

(I thought there should be a summary of the hundreds of previous pages in this thread to get everyone up to speed on the discussion...) :D
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The SF-50 is underpowered, grossly inefficient, altitude-limited, lacking in range and useful load, has an ugly V-tail, has been stupidly made with one engine, and it's being sold to novice, ignorant pilots who will crash a lot. :bugeye:

(I thought there should be a summary of the hundreds of previous pages in this thread to get everyone up to speed on the discussion...) :D
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Welcome back Mike! :rofl: :peace:


God help us! Another Mike C. Has been born! :lol:
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The SF-50 is underpowered, grossly inefficient, altitude-limited, lacking in range and useful load, has an ugly V-tail, has been stupidly made with one engine, and it's being sold to novice, ignorant pilots who will crash a lot. :bugeye:

(I thought there should be a summary of the hundreds of previous pages in this thread to get everyone up to speed on the discussion...) :D
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Arlen - please don't forget to mention that these cirrus pilots are "known" to take more risks than other pilots.... This based on conclusive scientific opinion. ;)

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