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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 16 Feb 2020, 14:18 |
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Joined: 03/22/14 Posts: 111 Post Likes: +68 Location: KMYF/ Kamiah, ID
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TXi upgrade? I like it. Given the previous posts, I was under the impression that the only reasonable way to own the Klingon jets is get them cheap and fly as-is. Get one with some engine time left, then fly off that remaining time, then part out. (Crossno also upgrading the 501 panel) I think it’s a given you won’t get the full panel investment back at resale but it sure adds to desirability and appeal for pilots used to glass. Did someone mention Garmin may STC the 600 series autopilot in the future? That would be cool. The jet-tech full upgrade is how much? 175K? One would really need to plan on owning the plane for a long time for that investment.
If this sounds like I’m looking for an excuse to get a type rating in a 501sp with a g600/750 suite, your right! Talk me into it please.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 16 Feb 2020, 14:45 |
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Joined: 05/05/09 Posts: 5304 Post Likes: +5294
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This package on my plane with TXIs is $250k
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 16 Feb 2020, 21:32 |
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Joined: 10/10/14 Posts: 1650 Post Likes: +1338 Location: St George UT
Aircraft: Mooney D 1964
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I've got a lot of time in 500s With the airframe and your new panel if you have a lot of engine time left you've got a lot of fine flying for a low buy-in price. It is a good airplane in my book. I'd go anywhere in it. Wish I had a panel like that back when. R U RSVM?
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 09:23 |
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Joined: 05/05/09 Posts: 5304 Post Likes: +5294
Aircraft: C501, R66, A36
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Username Protected wrote: I've got a lot of time in 500s With the airframe and your new panel if you have a lot of engine time left you've got a lot of fine flying for a low buy-in price. It is a good airplane in my book. I'd go anywhere in it. Wish I had a panel like that back when. R U RSVM? I'd say 99% of the 501s still flying are RVSM. I think what people are discovering is that these wonderful planes aren't really replaceable for anywhere close to what they cost. Not all of them, but many of these airframes are worth upgrading. Maybe my definition of a disposajet is evolving.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 11:07 |
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Joined: 08/05/11 Posts: 5248 Post Likes: +2426
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Username Protected wrote: I've got a lot of time in 500s With the airframe and your new panel if you have a lot of engine time left you've got a lot of fine flying for a low buy-in price. It is a good airplane in my book. I'd go anywhere in it. Wish I had a panel like that back when. R U RSVM? I'd say 99% of the 501s still flying are RVSM. I think what people are discovering is that these wonderful planes aren't really replaceable for anywhere close to what they cost. Not all of them, but many of these airframes are worth upgrading. Maybe my definition of a disposajet is evolving.
I don’t know. Maybe not a “dispose a jet” but certainly “dispose a jetA”. At least with the JT15’s. Mind boggling what they consume.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 13:16 |
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Joined: 03/04/13 Posts: 2792 Post Likes: +1408 Location: Little Rock, Ar
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Low capital cost Low operating cost
Pick one
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 13:22 |
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Joined: 10/10/14 Posts: 1650 Post Likes: +1338 Location: St George UT
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I don’t know. Maybe not a “dispose a jet” but certainly “dispose a jetA”. At least with the JT15’s. Mind boggling what they consume.[/quote]
You never flew an old Lear 20 series did you? :-) :-) In them, you were fuel critical at start up! Taxied out many times on one engine and started the other approaching the end of the runway IF we had T/O clearance.
The JT15 was an entire new world in fuel burn compared to the CJ610
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 13:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don’t know. Maybe not a “dispose a jet” but certainly “dispose a jetA”. At least with the JT15’s. Mind boggling what they consume. You never flew an old Lear 20 series did you? :-) :-) In them, you were fuel critical at start up! Taxied out many times on one engine and started the other approaching the end of the runway IF we had T/O clearance. The JT15 was an entire new world in fuel burn compared to the CJ610[/quote] But man, would they go like stink! Pretty good vertical performance when light, too.......
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 13:40 |
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Joined: 10/10/14 Posts: 1650 Post Likes: +1338 Location: St George UT
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How much fuel and Mx can you buy in the capital cost difference between a G4 and a G650? Maybe the rest is ego and image? :-)
Which would be better for the bottom line or at some point is the money involved immaterial to the total picture?
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 14:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Low capital cost Low operating cost
Pick one
Robert T Yeah. You’re spot on. Yet the Mustang is quickly reaching critical mass. It won’t depreciate much more and pretty cheap to operate if you can stand being off programs. The 800nm range realistically of the 501 kicks my butt too.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 14:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: How much fuel and Mx can you buy in the capital cost difference between a G4 and a G650? Maybe the rest is ego and image? :-)
Which would be better for the bottom line or at some point is the money involved immaterial to the total picture? That’s so yesterday..... G700 test flight now completed...... 
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 19:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: Low capital cost Low operating cost
Pick one
Robert T Yeah. You’re spot on. Yet the Mustang is quickly reaching critical mass. It won’t depreciate much more and pretty cheap to operate if you can stand being off programs. The 800nm range realistically of the 501 kicks my butt too.
501 is a 1000nm airplane. I don’t think the Mustang is that miserly, my buddy blocks 110, citation 501 blocks 150
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 19:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: I know it adds nothing to this conversation, but all the talk of buckets and contaminated runways has me loving on my King’s reverse capability.
Landed early last week in Denver in a snowstorm with crappy FICON reports and of course wasn’t a problem at all (until I turned off the runway and slipped a little bit - oops!).
Robert MU-2 has the best stopping violence of any airplane I've been in. I think 800 feet is possible.
C-130  B-737-200 would also yank you right out of your shoes if need be.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 20:01 |
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Joined: 10/10/14 Posts: 1650 Post Likes: +1338 Location: St George UT
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MU-2 has the best stopping violence of any airplane I've been in. I think 800 feet is possible.[/quote] C-130  B-737-200 would also yank you right out of your shoes if need be.[/quote] Try a light 727 with nose wheel brakes and a 40 flap landing on dry pavement. A 130 still rocks in that department though. As noted a 737-200 with a 40 flap did good also. (before the plastic lever blocker!) Slipin' and slidin' in DEN seemed normal in the winter Had to use reverse to stop in the gate once in a 737. NO braking after turning into the gate. What's the old song? "Slip slidin' away"
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