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 Post subject: Re: Aerostars
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Now my idea of a good time doesn't include running the engine while the airplane is on jacks with the gear retracted, but that seemed a better option that tying someone to the outside to inspect for leaks while in flight... The leak turned out to be a pinhole in the hardline running thru the right wheel well. Behind the little identification label on the line, localized pitting corrosion I presume. I saw the same thing with the line from the pump on a Beech Sierra, a little bitty hole just like you drilled it underneath the ID label on the line with the remainder of the line was pristine.

Always something new to make me scratch my head! :scratch:

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 Post subject: Re: Aerostars
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In my research on Aerostars, I've seen several planes with dual transponders.

Why the duplication?

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 Post subject: Re: Aerostars
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Members,

In my research on Aerostars, I've seen several planes with dual transponders.

Why the duplication?

Every time I sit in MY Aerostar, I see dual transponders. I would like to know as well :shrug: (it was that way when I bought it).

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Members,

In my research on Aerostars, I've seen several planes with dual transponders.

Why the duplication?

Every time I sit in MY Aerostar, I see dual transponders. I would like to know as well :shrug: (it was that way when I bought it).

Glenn


If you are in the flight levels and your transponder gets quirky you cannot stay up there without a transponder. In the old days it was not uncommon to have transponders get whacky and it is a tradition that has maintained. With that said, in mine at least, the transponders are remote so you would never know it. With my ADS-B upgrade I got to buy two new 345's.

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Members,

In my research on Aerostars, I've seen several planes with dual transponders.

Why the duplication?


Dual transponders are very common in high altitude traveling planes, especially in the days when they had "cavities" that would fail unpredictably. No transponder keeps you out of the flight levels and a lot of busy IFR airspace.


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 Post subject: Re: Aerostars
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Ten years ago I put in a GTX33 mode S Transponder (TIS Traffic), I kept the old Collins TDR950 mode C transponder with its separate altitude encoder.
The GTX33 never gave me any trouble. (the encoder always told ATC I was 200' low) :liar:

In 2014, I pulled the TDR950 to free up enough space to replace my SL30 with a GNC 255 (8.33).

2015 I upgraded the GTX33 to ES.

In 2017 I added a GTX345, and removed the altitude encoder (altitude data now comes from the Aspen EFD1000)

and

I'm back to dual transponders.

BECAUSE

Even though the chances of having a modern transponder fail are small, once ADS-B OUT is mandatory, (after 2020) the consequences of a transponder failure would be significant. With two transponders, if the GTX345 fails, I just switch to the GTX33/ES and just keep on trucking.

Only limitation:

The GTN650 controls both transponders, if it was to fail I'd lose both transponders and my GPS Navigation.

:shrug:

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The GTN650 controls both transponders, if it was to fail I'd lose both transponders and my GPS Navigation.

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Eric,

Dang it, I was heading to bed. Now that I've seen your cockpit I won't be able to sleep.

Can I come by and wax your plane just to peek in the windows :peace:

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Eric,

Dang it, I was heading to bed. Now that I've seen your cockpit I won't be able to sleep.

Can I come by and wax your plane just to peek in the windows :peace:


Come on down to KHOU.


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John,

I understand and that is why perfect was in green an addition to half-way kidding about kidnapping Forrest for my test flights.

I consider myself fully warned as to cost/upkeep on an Aerostar

Always enjoy your post JG

My frequent trip is from Charlotte, NC to Monroe, La. Grenada is a whole 9 miles "out of my way"

When I find my perfect bird I would be honored to buy you lunch and take you up for a flight. Your explanation of gates makes a lot of sense to my small brain.

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Brad,

You don't need an A* to have an invitation. I "know a guy" who can get you a BT discount on fuel even!!

The flying theory of "gaits" is not mine. I learned it after thirty years of flying from the publications of Ralph Butcher. Once learned and applied, I found it so natural and "predictive" that it became my normal approach to pilotage, to the point of doing it subconsciously.

My favorite example came in a flight in the A*. I was ferrying a friend, and VERY GOOD pilot, to the maintenance shop to pick up his airplane. There was a 600' overcast, and I was shooting a LPV approach. As we turned at the IAF and I reconfigured for final approach, he asked what my approach speed number was. I said, tongue in cheek, "I don't know". I let him think about that for a few seconds, then smiled and answered his question.

"In half flap landing configuration and 16" of manifold pressure, she will settle down on the glide slope at 116 Knots." I was letting the A/P fly and as it got us settled on the "glide slope", the speed kept easing down to, you guessed it, 116 knots.

I will have to admit that one of my favorite characteristics of the A* is its predictability of response to pre-determined flight configurations. :thumbup:


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The flying theory of "gaits" is not mine. I learned it after thirty years of flying from the publications of Ralph Butcher. Once learned and applied, I found it so natural and "predictive" that it became my normal approach to pilotage, to the point of doing it subconsciously.

My favorite example came in a flight in the A*. I was ferrying a friend, and VERY GOOD pilot, to the maintenance shop to pick up his airplane. There was a 600' overcast, and I was shooting a LPV approach. As we turned at the IAF and I reconfigured for final approach, he asked what my approach speed number was. I said, tongue in cheek, "I don't know". I let him think about that for a few seconds, then smiled and answered his question.

"In half flap landing configuration and 16" of manifold pressure, she will settle down on the glide slope at 116 Knots." I was letting the A/P fly and as it got us settled on the "glide slope", the speed kept easing down to, you guessed it, 116 knots.

I will have to admit that one of my favorite characteristics of the A* is its predictability of response to pre-determined flight configurations. :thumbup:


Jgreen[/quote]


The Aerostar is extremely predictable and responsive to the application of those formulas. I have also been impressed how solid and stable the autopilot (C-IV) flies the airplane, even through configuration changes. It is genuinely the most jet-like prop driven airplane I have flown (not yet flown an MU-2 or Commander). The Falcon 10 is the only other thing I have flown that I thought handled as well.


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A bit off the subject of the latest posts of sexy panels, but I thought some of you might be interested. One of the persistent problems I had with my A* was leaking wing fuel caps, allowing water in when it rained and causing uneven fuel burn resulting in the need to use double cross-feed to keep things in balance on long trips. The problem originated from the selection of simple steel for the cap receptacle when the plane was manufactured resulting in rust pits that prevented a proper seal.

A few years back A* was quoting about 1AMU each for SS units that eliminated the problem. I figured there had to be a better solution. After a little research, I chose the Aero caps same as used on the Cirrus. We made an adapter ring out of aluminium and installed with Pro-Seal and screws. Looks factory, easy to open, doesn't let water in, fuel burns evenly now and the numb-skull fueler can't fit the Jet-A nozzle in! (twice). And I spent 300 bucks, not 2,000.

Edit: Forgot to add, when we asked the local FSDO (Anchorage) they said just do a log entry. Nothing more, doesn't get better than that!

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... cfer=15430

:cheers:
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Jeff, I have had the same problem over the years with uneven fuel burn. Thanks for the tip.


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