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10 years and roughly $10k or so I believe.


I recently was told $20K.

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 Post subject: Re: Baron or Bust!
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Hmmm,
10k in 10 years is not bad.
20k in 5 years buys a lot of gas for the Baron.


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 Post subject: Re: Baron or Bust!
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The chute is good for 10 years. That is unassailable fact. If you buy a 5 year old plane you will need to replace it in 5 years and then it's good for another 10. The market pretty well prices this in, though. Whatever you put into a chute will come back in resale.

It was around $10K for awhile. The G1 repacks (all that was done until recently) were more expensive because they required bodywork. The G2 and subsequent have a hatch or something that reduce the labor. The guy (and I think it really is A GUY) who makes the rockets had some sort of price increase lately. Not sure what it is. COPA would know.

Even if it is $4K/yr, that's 650 gals of avgas. Call that a 6gph delta times 100 hours and it's a wash. The data for the chute keeps getting better. And it helps for most of the ways that pilots murder their passengers, which is usually not engine failure.


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Funny when a guy comes onto Beechtalk with a simple question about a Baron, and the peanut gallery is selling him on Merridian, Cirrus's, Mustang jets, MU2's and pushing about anything other than the best light twin ever made. The Baron which is what he asked about to begin with. Strange days...

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 Post subject: Re: Baron or Bust!
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What about a cirrus? Does the parachute impress the wife? You can get a NA G1000 3-5 year old SR22 with FIKI for $350 and blast all over New England at 180kts on 16gph.


Charles, good call. Yes it certainly impressed the wife. The Cirrus was on the radar screen and we have talked about that. The parachute times out after 5 years if I remember correctly and I was told the cost is 20k.
It is smaller, I know that I would miss the doors and easy access to the rear in the Beech. You know; everything is a trade off.

A Cirrus went down a week ago here. Engine out after takeoff; the chute deployed and everyone lived. When you hear stories like this; what's 20k?


I've got a 2003 SR22 that i recently listed for sale at 169 that has a fresh chute repack done last year. It's got TKS, skywatch, GTNs, etc. Part of me is real hesitant to sell it because it is a good little bird for going places. I see 175 true all the time and the chute is very comforting and does make the wife happy.

Chute repacks are 10k or so and due every 10 years.

If I was to go pick a SR22 as my primary plane, and I could afford the capital, I would get a Perspective equipped with A/C.

The cirrus becomes less and less attractive to me as fuel prices get closer and closer to $3/gallon for Jet-A. 100LL isn't moving that quickly.

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Funny when a guy comes onto Beechtalk with a simple question about a Baron, and the peanut gallery is selling him on Merridian, Cirrus's, Mustang jets, MU2's and pushing about anything other than the best light twin ever made. The Baron which is what he asked about to begin with. Strange days...


You mean the Cessna Baron?

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Funny when a guy comes onto Beechtalk with a simple question about a Baron, and the peanut gallery is selling him on Merridian, Cirrus's, Mustang jets, MU2's and pushing about anything other than the best light twin ever made. The Baron which is what he asked about to begin with. Strange days...


The peanut gallery is just giving him options. When someone posts "My wife will fly with me if I buy a twin" it sends up a red flag to me. Twins are great and the Baron is one of the best, but it is not necessarily the answer depending on the mission. I like the twin because they are initially cheap, usually good useful, and have de-ice.

If I could buy a single with the same capability at the same price I would do it, especially with a chute. My wife would feel much better knowing that she only has to kill the engine and pull a big red handle if I have a heart attack. In the Baron, Duke, etc she would be better off to close her eyes, push all levers forward and push the yoke all the way to the panel to get it over with quicker.

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 Post subject: Re: Baron or Bust!
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Chute repacks are 10k or so and due every 10 years.


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Jason,

Who can I speak with about that quote? I was quoted $20K, but it was not a hard quote.

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The cirrus becomes less and less attractive to me as fuel prices get closer and closer to $3/gallon for Jet-A. 100LL isn't moving that quickly.

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Yuppers, man has a good point. JetA smelling pretty good right now.

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If I could buy a single with the same capability at the same price I would do it, especially with a chute. My wife would feel much better knowing that she only has to kill the engine and pull a big red handle if I have a heart attack. In the Baron, Duke, etc she would be better off to close her eyes, push all levers forward and push the yoke all the way to the panel to get it over with quicker.


Man, I'm never flying with your wife if she takes that approach.

......now you could also teach her how to land ;-)

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Chute repacks are 10k or so and due every 10 years.


-jason


Jason,

Who can I speak with about that quote? I was quoted $20K, but it was not a hard quote.

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That was what I was told when I purchased the SR22 earlier this year and it was just done. I would certainly call around to a few dealers. I believe mine was done under DLK Aviation out east. They are known as a very good shop IMHO.
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If I could buy a single with the same capability at the same price I would do it, especially with a chute. My wife would feel much better knowing that she only has to kill the engine and pull a big red handle if I have a heart attack. In the Baron, Duke, etc she would be better off to close her eyes, push all levers forward and push the yoke all the way to the panel to get it over with quicker.


Man, I'm never flying with your wife if she takes that approach.

......now you could also teach her how to land ;-)


I have tried. I taught my son to land in less than 2 hours. In fact, I think I could have sent him solo with 3.5 hours, but he is only 15. Whenever I give my wife the controls she freaks out thinking the plane is going to flip over.

I'm buying a good simulator to have her practice.
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I haven't even factored in the cracked cylinders, or the ubiquitous turbo overhauls, mag overhauls, or the $100/pop spark plugs yet that will happen on top of this on the way to TBO."
Adam, it sounds like you have a bad annual hangover?
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