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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 09:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cirrus has NO interest in anyone on this site - not to be curt or demeaning. We are not their target market.
The COPA forum is even admitting as much, they are no longer Cirrus's target market for the G7 and beyond.
Look at all their new promotional advertising. They are targeting the non aviation mass affluent successful business woman. And by woman, they're advertising is using the avatar of woman, but in reality, it's the successful mass affluent. It's the person who has their own personal transportation, everywhere with 200 miles, but has to slum it on the airlines beyond that.
While, Textron and Piper are selling to "pilots", Cirrus continues to try to expand their market to a larger audience through reducing the barriers (the fear of and unfamiliarity of) to personal flying. They are selling the dream that this is no harder and as safe as driving to your lake house. It's becoming a 200 mph car. +1 !!! And THAT, fellow GA owners & pilots is the reason I respect Cirrus ! They are SINGLE-HANDEDLY bringing in more Owner /Pilots into GA then ALL of the other GA actors combined (no, I don't have hard-data - just a gut feeling) .
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 12:55 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 8503 Post Likes: +11048 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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Username Protected wrote: Well, a Jeep Grand Wagonerr at $100,000+ may help put a $1M new plane into perspective.  Exactly!
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 15:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think that enticing affluent people who have no real interest in piloting to buy an airplane is bad for the industry. These are the people who end up in Crash Talk for doing stupid things that eventually find them under canopy, or worse. The NTSB accident database disagrees with your theory. Far more beech-talkers end up dead and in crash talk than previously non-pilot Cirrus buyers.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 19:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think that enticing affluent people who have no real interest in piloting to buy an airplane is bad for the industry. These are the people who end up in Crash Talk for doing stupid things that eventually find them under canopy, or worse. The NTSB accident database disagrees with your theory. Far more beech-talkers end up dead and in crash talk than previously non-pilot Cirrus buyers.
I wasn't aware the NTSB tracked beech-talkers and/or previous non-pilot Cirrus buyers as categories in their mishap statistics.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 19:28 |
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But we sure do which is as official as it gets.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 20:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think that enticing affluent people who have no real interest in piloting to buy an airplane is bad for the industry. These are the people who end up in Crash Talk for doing stupid things that eventually find them under canopy, or worse. The NTSB accident database disagrees with your theory. Far more beech-talkers end up dead and in crash talk than previously non-pilot Cirrus buyers. Thats because there are a lot more Beech aircraft than Cirrus
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 21:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: The perspective is just fine the way it is. A hundred grand for a freakin’ Wagoneer is insanity. I don’t care how much you like them, it’s barely worth half of that, which might be why they aren’t selling.
A million for a piston single is also crazy, but they seem to find buyers, I don’t know who or what posesses them, but all the better for the used market later.
I think that enticing affluent people who have no real interest in piloting to buy an airplane is bad for the industry. These are the people who end up in Crash Talk for doing stupid things that eventually find them under canopy, or worse. I remember before we bought our 22, I looked at Malibu, and was blown away at its $750K price, $200K+ more than the 22 at the time. I was like who would pay that? The million isn't really terrible when you look at the cost of a 10-year-old Mustang, that is $1M more than it was, used, just a few years ago. Don't we want viable GA manufacturer? The market is dictating the price, if they weren't getting it, they coulnd't charge it.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 14 Jan 2024, 14:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: What was the factory price of a 1965 Bonanza, when the average home cost $20,000?
I don't know, but it might be an interesting comparison to the average home price today versus a $1M Cirrus. According to Larry Ball, the list price on a 1965 S35 was $28,750. I suspect that didn't include much in the way of avionics and if so an equipped "out the door" price was probably in the $40-45k range.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 14 Jan 2024, 14:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think that enticing affluent people who have no real interest in piloting to buy an airplane is bad for the industry. These are the people who end up in Crash Talk for doing stupid things that eventually find them under canopy, or worse. The NTSB accident database disagrees with your theory. Far more beech-talkers end up dead and in crash talk than previously non-pilot Cirrus buyers.
What would the stats look like without the parachute pulls? How many Cirrus planes are there compared to the Bonanza line?
A proper comparison would be the percentage of Cirrus crashes including parachute pulls vs the percentage of Bonanza crashes.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 14 Jan 2024, 15:18 |
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Keeping my Lancair ES -- simpler, prettier, faster, more fun to fly, plenty easy to fly, cheaper to maintain, more customizable. After basically copying much of the artistic design, Cirrus put a parachute in to get wives and girlfriends attention (a massively important marketing move that has had them marketing to women from the beginning), avoided manufacturing errors the ES-derived Columbia/Corvalis made, and took over the piston single world. Their success is so apparent at Oshkosh in recent years, where huge soirees beginning the night before the show and running through the week swamp any other gatherings on the grounds all week.
General aviation faces headwinds--noise, climate change, insurance costs, etc. Anything that makes it cool for women professionals to fly and advances safety discussions surrounding light airplanes is great for general aviation. If they've reach a point where they run almost Apple-like events introducing their latest and greatest; if they can $1M for the G7; these things are great news for general aviation.
I think I'll forward the video to my wife, whos's a nervous flyer.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 15 Jan 2024, 13:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cirrus has NO interest in anyone on this site - not to be curt or demeaning. We are not their target market.
The COPA forum is even admitting as much, they are no longer Cirrus's target market for the G7 and beyond.
Look at all their new promotional advertising. They are targeting the non aviation mass affluent successful business woman. And by woman, they're advertising is using the avatar of woman, but in reality, it's the successful mass affluent. It's the person who has their own personal transportation, everywhere with 200 miles, but has to slum it on the airlines beyond that.
While, Textron and Piper are selling to "pilots", Cirrus continues to try to expand their market to a larger audience through reducing the barriers (the fear of and unfamiliarity of) to personal flying. They are selling the dream that this is no harder and as safe as driving to your lake house. It's becoming a 200 mph car. Well, I'm on this site and own a Cirrus , so I guess they are interested in some of us. My planes over 30 years of flying: F-33, B-55, E-55, B-58, C-421, AC 690-B. 4000 hours. I now fly a Cirrus. A good friend- highly successful business woman, in about 2003 wanted to get her PPL. She took one look at the panel in my 421, where the most up to date item was a Garmin-530, and said if that's what I have to look forward to: "no thanks" . So she found Cirrus. She now owns a vision Jet and has about 2,000 hrs. Very proficient pilot. Marketing to mass affluent women seems like a pretty good strategy to me. I have a love/hate relationship with my SR22T. It seems like a toy compared to my other planes because it is so easy to fly. But 175+ kts all day long at 15 GPH is cheap. Its just not (for my mission) a business tool. Waiting on SETP prices to soften before I move on. But there is no reason to disparage Cirrus, or their pilots....
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