I suspect the Cirrus maintenance programs are not cheap. I also suspect that they are turn key which seems to be what the typical Vision Jet buyer is looking for.

Dave Van Horn not only summarized the Vision Jet's acceptance, he made me start thinking.

Cirrus saw a wide open market segment and drove their design directly into that wheel house.
Even more impressive is that they did it back to back, the SR and the VJ.

And laughed at naysayers all the way to the bank.

Jg

It's a pretty compelling airplane for 2 hour flights and less. Simple to operate with auto throttles, fadec controlled starting, emergency decent mode, auto land, 67 knot stall speed etc. And the interior is gorgeous.

For some reason I didn’t even think about it being a Williams engine. So the TAP tax is on there. I know a sales guy, maybe he would tell me if I ask.

Yeah, exactly. It is spacious and comfortable. I'm 6'2" and on the big-boned side. I find it very comfortable to get in and out of and fly.

Plus it gets the difficult to achieve WAF high score. Since it is a jet and pressurized and there's an auto-land button.

IIRC the maint/warranty program was $80k for 4 years.
I may be wrong but that is the number that pops to mind.
That combined w the high cost of insurance for a newly typed/rated pilot ($60-100k first year) made it a very expensive proposition.

Edit to add: A family friend flies one out of KMYL to his main home in CA. He says it’s marginal on warm days w just him and his wife w her stuff. He basically talked me out of it.
He also didn’t have good things to say about Cirrus recurrent programs.
All anecdotal but it made me much less enthusiastic.

so initial cap cost, 2.2m, maint/warranty, $20k annualized? that's cheap...very cheap

I think the bonus depreciation winding down and interest rates going up will slow the cirrus train down a bit, but not halt it

I'd buy one because of how liquid it is, there's always a ready/willing buyer for one, and your in/out cost is relatively low with the numbers being shared here

JGG, I say do it, you don't have to own it for years, just commit to one year and re-evaluate after

I may be light on the $80k as I agree w u but it is an upfront payment and as I understood it there were lots of “uncovered” items/expenses. In other words, it wasn’t “pay $80k and everything is covered”.
Again I spoke to 2 owners and they were less than enthusiastic.
Also, good luck getting a new one for $2.2mm.

I suspect more SF50 are on the programs Cirrus sells, so a way to figure this out is to add up the costs of those programs.

The numbers are not published that I see. It may require posing as a potential customer, or finding one paying for the programs to find out what it cost.

The website on the programs:

https://cirrusaircraft.com/jetstream/

Mike C.

Theres a bunch of them based at our airport. A lot of them are parked outside, uncovered too. The common excuse seems to be that since its leased, it wont be their problem in 4 years. 3M baking in the sun. Perhaps when the real cost of all that money and the disappointing profit for the lessor owner, comes to light there will be less of them like that.

CoolView windows are standard and reject 98% of the UV

The cirrus paint seems to be pretty sturdy and they do benefit from a cosmetic facelift on a periodic basis with a fresh coat

I don't see the issue with parking them outside and flying them often, there's doesn't seem to be a major incentive to pamper these airframes, a lot of Diamond owners seem to do the same thing

What I don't get, there are owners of all sorts of airframe types sharing their operating costs (the Beech guys are a given, but we've got owners of SR22's, TBM's, M series Pipers, PC12's, Citations, etc., etc. all sharing information). I don't think I've ever seen a SF50 owner on here sharing any data, operational, financial or otherwise.

What I don't get, there are owners of all sorts of airframe types sharing their operating costs (the Beech guys are a given, but we've got owners of SR22's, TBM's, M series Pipers, PC12's, Citations, etc., etc. all sharing information). I don't think I've ever seen a SF50 owner on here sharing any data, operational, financial or otherwise.

I wager that doesn't include a per hour fee, it is just a per year flat fee.

Williams will be close to $200/hour. At 100 hours, that's $20K/year alone, so the $80K for 4 years can't include the engine.

I suspect the airframe program, parts and labor is around $350/hour.

With the plane being new, the parts/labor program may be cheaper for a first period.

These are just guesses. Need real data to know for sure.

Mike C.

CoolView windows are standard and reject 98% of the UV

The cirrus paint seems to be pretty sturdy and they do benefit from a cosmetic facelift on a periodic basis with a fresh coat

I don't see the issue with parking them outside and flying them often, there's doesn't seem to be a major incentive to pamper these airframes, a lot of Diamond owners seem to do the same thing

Sitting outside?

If I had one of those, I'd probably modify my house and keep it in the living room.

And Brian, the 2.2 made me start looking for my check book.

Jg