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Post subject: Re: Dumping CJ3's  Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 01:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: That and the RVSM STCs. Garmin 345 would make all these planes non RVSM unless someone comes up STC. The transponder has nothing to do with the autopilot, static system, or altimetry. So why does the transponder have any effect on an RVSM system? That would be like saying changing the DME voids the RVSM cert. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Dumping CJ3's Posted: 06 Mar 2017, 15:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: That and the RVSM STCs. Garmin 345 would make all these planes non RVSM unless someone comes up STC. The transponder has nothing to do with the autopilot, static system, or altimetry. So why does the transponder have any effect on an RVSM system? That would be like saying changing the DME voids the RVSM cert. Mike C.
I have always know the requirements of RVSM as following
Two independent altitude measurement
systems each equipped with:
• cross-coupled static/source system with
ice protection if located in areas subject
to ice accretion;
• display of the computed pressure alti-
tude to the flight crew;
• digital encoding of the displayed altitude;
• signals referenced to a pilot selected
altitude for automatic altitude control and
alerting;
• Static source error correction.
2. One SSR transponder with an altitude re- porting system in use for altitude keeping.
3. An altitude allerting system.
4. An automatic altitude control system.
Also here's pictures from STC for RVSM by Aeromech. Notice the note on bottom of second picture that says an deviation from this equipment list invalidates the RVSM. The third picture shows the approved transponders from this STC. I know this STC is for Sabre 65. The fourth picture is the planes Aeromech has RVSM for. Citation is listed and I bet the transponder is called out in its equipment list.
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Post subject: Re: Dumping CJ3's Posted: 07 Apr 2017, 23:10 |
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Username Protected wrote:
...there has never been a failure to ignite a cruise missle engine. They have 100% reliability of Williams missle engines.
Is this still true? News reports from last night's Syria launch say one of the 60 failed. Reporters don't always get it right so I was just wondering.
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Post subject: Re: Dumping CJ3's Posted: 09 Apr 2017, 01:30 |
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Username Protected wrote:
...there has never been a failure to ignite a cruise missle engine. They have 100% reliability of Williams missle engines.
Is this still true? News reports from last night's Syria launch say one of the 60 failed. Reporters don't always get it right so I was just wondering.
I hope we ask for, and receive a unit credit for the failed unit! 
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Post subject: Re: Dumping CJ3's Posted: 09 Apr 2017, 13:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: I hope we ask for, and receive a unit credit for the failed unit! Not that I would know but 1 failure out 2000 probably isn't bad for a weapons system. I think this is a case of bad/fake news since I haven't heard any other reports of this. Interesting that the reporter went into some detail and made a point to discuss the failure so it seems improbable he just made it up.
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Post subject: Re: Dumping CJ3's Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 21:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: Have any bids out yet, Jason? No, don't want to lose my cargo door and large cabin. May hold out for a while longer.
Would take a lot to compare in size and utility of a Pliatus.
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Post subject: Re: Dumping CJ3's Posted: 04 May 2017, 04:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: I asked this in other thread, but got no real response: Would a first generation CitationJet (CJ), with a majority steam panel be a better and easier path to upgrade with an aftermarket WAAS ADS-B solution? It seem like it gets exponentially harder and more expensive the more you are in the claws of Honeywell, Garmin etc. With steam, it's easy. And since the original CJ has no performance difference from the newer CJ1's and +'s, it seems that this might be a better option, no? But maybe I don't know what I'm talking about (a real possibility)..  You are correct Adam. The cockpit "suites" make it much more complex and expensive to upgrade.
http://www.aviationpros.com/press_relea ... igital-fcs
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Post subject: Re: Dumping CJ3's Posted: 04 May 2017, 09:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: Game changer possibly. Pricing is key for the ADSb -WAAS upgrade. How much? Did not notice if they are using existing A/P? No matter great news because competition for Rockwell Collins will lower prices either way. Exciting for existing owners with the need to go into WAAS served airports. Uses the Collins AP. Cost wise, obviously more than just fixing the transponders for ADS-B, but less than a PL Fusion retrofit. Wild guess; $200k.
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Post subject: Re: Dumping CJ3's Posted: 04 May 2017, 09:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Game changer possibly. Pricing is key for the ADSb -WAAS upgrade. How much? Did not notice if they are using existing A/P? No matter great news because competition for Rockwell Collins will lower prices either way. Exciting for existing owners with the need to go into WAAS served airports. I am expecting it to be $150k, we just purchased a CJ1 for a client. The CJ1 market has been soft compared to straight CJ's because you couldn't do this type of upgrade, anticipating this approval from Jettech was part of our strategy.
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