Curious how this stop was chosen.

There are other places with cheaper fuel and seemingly equal or even better service, for example KAPA where fuel is 30% cheaper, about $2.

How close were you to making this non stop? Was this from KLAS or somewhere else?

KLAS to KCMH is 1539 nm and would be with a tailwind. Surprised if the II can't do that.

Mike C.

Curious how this stop was chosen.

There are other places with cheaper fuel and seemingly equal or even better service, for example KAPA where fuel is 30% cheaper, about $2.

How close were you to making this non stop? Was this from KLAS or somewhere else?

KLAS to KCMH is 1539 nm and would be with a tailwind. Surprised if the II can't do that.

Mike C.

Age appropriate is a funny thing and very culture dependant. My friends dad married his mother when he was 50 and she was 15. Stayed married until he died in his 90's.

I'm collecting real world examples of such flights, so forgive me if I ask a few more questions.

1442 nm great circle. Should be near zero traffic issues at the time of the flight. Looking at the 550 operations manual, the range chart for FL390 shows:

Seems to say you will need about 3940 lbs of fuel leaving just over 1000 lbs reserve. I did it at FL390, no tailwind, and not LRC, all of which you may be able to improve on. Time was not bad at 4:45 either. The passengers would probably sleep through the whole thing.

I understand there are other issues besides fuel that come into play, such as weather at CMH, or not enough payload left over with full fuel, etc, but it seems like the plane could have made this non stop comfortably according to the book.

Is the book so optimistic as to be unobtainable? I'd be curious how you flight plan the II and how close to the book you are willing to come.


If speed was the objective, then non stop wins even if you have to power back to LRC.

Curious, do you ever consider not using TRs on a 12,000 ft runway?


What a powerful drug it is. Detox from OPM can be brutal!

Given OPM, why aren't you flying a V. :-)

Mike C.

Practically speaking 4:45 is a long ass flight. Prefer 4 or less. I have done 3 4 hour 1300 mm flights. Landed with 800 lbs. 100%n1. After getting up at 1:30am for a 3am flight. I thought it was best to have a break.


I always use thrusters. Muscle memory. Only difference is how much I pull on them. Not much on 12000 feet

The Citation V would have gotten you about that, with more reserve or cabin load.

Hey, it's just OPM. :-)

Mike C.

The Citation V would have gotten you about that, with more reserve or cabin load.

Hey, it's just OPM. :-)

Mike C.

KBWI. Landed. On ground for 4 hours. $668 in fees. Avoid at all costs.

Jet A $7.60. F that.

Sounds fine with OPM.

With MYM I use MTN for that area.

Sounds fine with OPM.

With MYM I use MTN for that area.

BWI used to be GA friendly before Signature arrived. It shows what can happen without FBO competition.

Closing DCA also contributed. I remember the days of flying into KDCA and using Butler.

So do I. Butler ramp used to be filled with GA.

Butler.....

Showin yer age....


Mine too!