Yep, $1000 in the 501, and $500 in the MU2

I learned a lot about TRs when I got some time in a Falcon 10. Without TRs it was lighter, faster, and more efficient, while the runway performance was outstanding. Critics would say it didn’t do well on ice. Well, I’m not landing on ice with or without TRs. I think TRs on small jets are overrated.

I saw a Falcon 10 land on a wet runway at IWS, they landing long. If they had not had TR's they would have been off the end. They were going fast enough at mid field that several of up ran up to the FBO's windows expecting to see them to go off the end.

At my last job we landed on slick runways a lot in the winter and the TR's were very nice!

I know of a Citation 500 that landed long on KBUR 08 (then 07) on a rainy night and went through the fence at the end and into the same gas station that Southwest went into years later.
Tell me how you get an airplane that touches down at 85 kts to over run an 8,000+ ft runway even if it is wet!
BTW the pilot blamed it on not having reversers, the company then got him a Saberliner
You wanna guess what happened next?
BTW 2, I was flying a CE500 at the same time at the same airport (2200 hrs TT CE500)

In a jet if you’re not on speed and glide slope, it gets ugly regardless of equipment. Typically add 100’ per knot over ref, and 100’ for every 10’ above glide slope. Long and fast, you’re asking for trouble. I still think TRs are not worth it for light jets with low ref speeds.

Do they have anti-skid?

Heck yes (Falcons, that is). Some of the legacy Citations don’t, however.

The 501?

Mine doesn’t. I flew a 550 with them. Really touchy.

If you need anti skid on a legacy Citation to avoid locking the brakes up to stop, that person needs additional training. The landing distances on these are similar to a Baron without TRs or anti-skid.

Agreed, poor pilots need some some excuse for their fu*% up.

Andrew

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KBUR

RWY 8 at BUR is 5800, not 8000'.

Land a little long & fast (or possibly a slight tailwind), wet runway.......5800' can go by pretty quickly.

I only have a couple of hours in a 501. Landed just like my 421C.

OTOH, the Ultra has a MLW of 15,200 (which I have landed at several times). I’ll take the buckets thank you very much. Belt and suspenders.

The Citation II has lower ref speeds than the 501 and the 560 has even lower ref speeds. SII has the lowest of the lot. Usually the ref is 93kts in an SII and 95 in a 560, the 501 is usually 98. If you can land a Baron there, you can stick any 500 series Citation there easily, buckets or no buckets.

Usually not at 15,200lbs but with a few people and 2000lbs of fuel in a 560, 2,800 feet is totally reasonable as it is for any legacy Citation.