BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:13

Username Protected wrote:

Love this thread about jets. So just to mix it up a little (I'm sure Dave S will not mind at this point) what if I was looking at a two pilot jet, maybe lease it for a bit, do business, build some time; What's involved in getting an initial SIC rating?

See 61.55. You can be SIC qualified with just the proper training and logbook sign off for US only.

Outside the US SIC needs type rating.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:13

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Have gotten some requests for more instrument videos.

Here is Friday morning's ILS into 35 at Salina. Launched at 3am Pacific enroute to KCMH. This was a fuel stop.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/6w09jQfhEe8[/youtube]

Mark,

Having a cute copilot doesn't hurt either, and she seems pretty competent. (good training?).
Does she carry your bags to the hotel?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:14

Username Protected wrote:

Love this thread about jets. So just to mix it up a little (I'm sure Dave S will not mind at this point) what if I was looking at a two pilot jet, maybe lease it for a bit, do business, build some time; What's involved in getting an initial SIC rating?

See 61.55. You can be SIC qualified with just the proper training and logbook sign off.

Some ICAO countries want the SIC to be on the pilot certificate.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:16

Username Protected wrote:

Have gotten some requests for more instrument videos.

Here is Friday morning's ILS into 35 at Salina. Launched at 3am Pacific enroute to KCMH. This was a fuel stop.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/6w09jQfhEe8[/youtube]

Mark,

Having a cute copilot doesn't hurt either, and she seems pretty competent. (good training?).
Does she carry your bags to the hotel?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:20

Mark, is yaw damper = off for landing per the AFM?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:21

Username Protected wrote:

Have gotten some requests for more instrument videos.

Here is Friday morning's ILS into 35 at Salina. Launched at 3am Pacific enroute to KCMH. This was a fuel stop.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/6w09jQfhEe8[/youtube]

Well done Marky Mark. It's almost like watching an instructional video.
Your SIC starting to anticipate more, great!
Can you fly RNAV's in that thing?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:21

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And Sam,

The other guys may feel different, but just get the rating after you've had a few hour in the one you'll lease. Next, you'll be buying and bringing it for breakfast flyins.

now that would be taking the $100 hamburger to another level!

It's funny but I'm not at all stuck on this SP thing; actually like a crewed environment. It's sort of like doing intricate surgery: two surgeons is far better than one. And I have a good friend that was a commercial fisherman until the guberment put him out of business that loves to fly. Already has his Comm multi....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:32

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I'll respectfully disagree. The success or failure of the crew will not be because they are related. It will be because of the atmosphere and discipline the Grandfather brings to the table. Just like with any crew, it could be good or bad. Now, with a relative, it seems to be much better or dismally worse.

This is NOT a young man's game.. it's an experienced man's game. I'll take knowledge and experience over youth ANYTIME.

I've seen MANY crews with relatives or close friends. The Kings are probably most notable and they do fine. If Grandpa takes the real role of a good captain, they will not only be good, they will be superior. I'd take my SO over a lot of co pilots I flew with in the 121 business and she's not even rated for the plane. However, she knows exactly what to do and not do and is predictable and a great asset. It's how one runs the ship.

Larry:

When I say it is a young man's game I am specifically referring to the fact that half the flights are on the back side of the clock. It was just a assumption that younger might be better suited to stay up all night vs a guy in his 60's or 70's. Hence having a young man or woman aboard during these hours could be an advantage.

It is true that it comes down to the quality of the captain. The nuance is that a grandson (any grandson not specific to this one) is subordinate in 3 ways...Captain/FO, elder/ youngster and blood relationship.

At least your SO has the standing and life experience to confront you if you make a mistake. See my reply below.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:38

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Naw. But she gives me "street cred"'with age appropriate women :cross:

Age appropriate is a funny thing and very culture dependant. My friends dad married his mother when he was 50 and she was 15. Stayed married until he died in his 90's.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:44

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No such rating per se. A sign off is a half day familiarization with systems and three take offs and landings. ATP can sign you off

Then a trip to the FSDO to get it added to the ticket. From what I understand there are no questions, just the application.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 08:44

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Mark, is yaw damper = off for landing per the AFM?

Correct no landing with yaw damp in in the 550.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 09:26

Username Protected wrote:

Quote:

No such rating per se. A sign off is a half day familiarization with systems and three take offs and landings. ATP can sign you off

Then a trip to the FSDO to get it added to the ticket. From what I understand there are no questions, just the application.

61.55 lists the process for getting an SIC rating added to the ticket.

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ATP can sign you off

I do not believe that is true in a PT91 environment if the ATP does not hold an MEI.

Quote:

Sec. 61.167 — Privileges.
(a) A person who holds an airline transport pilot certificate is entitled to the same privileges as a person who holds a commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating.

(b) An airline transport pilot may instruct—

(1) Other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft of the category, class, and type, as applicable, for which the airline transport pilot is rated and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;

Note it says an airline transport pilot may instruct other pilots in air transportation service ...

So an ATP can instruct other pilots in 121 or 135 operations. An ATP with no MEI cannot instruct other pilots for PT91 operations by my reading of the FARs.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 09:27

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Mark, is yaw damper = off for landing per the AFM?

I have seen that in every Citation I have flown.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2016, 09:28

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And Sam,

The other guys may feel different, but just get the rating after you've had a few hour in the one you'll lease. Next, you'll be buying and bringing it for breakfast flyins.

Assuming you are talking about the type rating, that's exactly what I did. There is a lot to learn about ownership with a complete training program. And for now for the majority of my trips, owning a jet doesn't make sense but it's nice to have one available to rent for the long trips.

Re:SIC rating, it's kind of useless if your flying is limited to the US but some other countries require it.