CJ2s are depreciating as they get old, like anything else, regardless of an engine program.

A fair number are under $2.5M right now. 5 years ago, it was unusual to see one under $3.5M.

Example:

https://www.controller.com/listings/air ... tation-cj2

At 3150 hours, the engine program has cost the owners about $1M so far in present day dollars. That hasn't prevented a loss of about $1M in value in the last 5 years.

Mike C.

LP Aero, maybe?

Have you called Perkins for the window?

Steve

Send 1 to Aircraft Windshields of California and they will cut them out or just get a sheet and bandsaw them. They are just cosmetic. Pretty sure we have a bunch of them also.

I have not been in a 501. How large is the pilot seat? Can a taller pilot be comfortable? I am coming from a PA46 which isn’t vary large up front.

Looking at some of the Stallion 501

Thanks
Mike

I’m 6’3. It’s roomy enough. Far better then some.

It has been hashed out before but I don't recommend the Stallion for lots of reasons. Mainly, it doesn't go that much faster or burn that much less fuel to justify the extra coinage. The engine program wipes out any fuel savings too and the cap costs are much higher.

It has been hashed out before but I don't recommend the Stallion for lots of reasons. Mainly, it doesn't go that much faster or burn that much less fuel to justify the extra coinage. The engine program wipes out any fuel savings too and the cap costs are much higher.

Be sure to check out the PW615F engine program costs before going Mustang. It is surprisingly costly in present times, pretty much right there with the FJ44-2A on the Stallion/Eagle II (~$160/hour/engine for ESP Gold, a little less for Power Advantage+, numbers taken from posts on CJP). The burner cans aren't making HSI intervals, and there are other issues which have taken the shine off what should be a small economical engine.

When you run the economic analysis, the Stallion does make sense, IMO. It goes faster, it goes higher, it goes further, it carries more, and it burns less fuel than a stock 501. The extra speed means the airframe costs are lower, too, not just engine and fuel, and this becomes more of a factor when you face headwinds, which is most of the time. The JT15D-1 is not free to maintain, either, so you can't compare program costs to no costs for engine use.

The Mustang is the odd duck in the Cessna jet line. Shares almost nothing in common with the legacy or the CJ series, has a unique type rating, etc. A bit wheezy in hot conditions.

It is the only Cessna jet with through the panel yoke which makes it one of the more comfortable jets for the owner pilot.

Mike C.

The mustang actually shares quite a bit with the CJ4 - which shares very little with the rest of the 525 line.

Agreed on the hot conditions analysis, but it still performs - just don't expect FL410.

It is the most comfortable cockpit - so much nicer.

-Jason

I would prefer to have engines on program so thats not a issue for me. Its easier to stomach a couple hundred an hour now than a $300K bill some day. I get that you can argue that until the end of days but I like a engine on program.

The Stallion upgrade with the Eagle wing mod is pretty hard to beat on numbers. it seems that you basically get CJ2 performance numbers for way less Cap. cost.

Mustang or straight Cj for that matter is limited on weight when hot and high. They are really 4-5 seat planes with any range. The Stallion you can have 8 people and go 1100 miles with zero worry about the temp and altitude of the field. And with Eagle wing it can take 6 people almost 2000nm. So to compare the Mustang to a Stallion is a far stretch. At least from my understanding.

There are a few Stallions with Eagle wing mod and Garmin GTN750 that are under $1M. the Williams have ecu so you actually get a more advanced engine control than a straight CJ. And in IMO the GTN is more advanced than a G1000.

The 501 does look older, but for me the numbers matter more. If I can fit up front and the numbers I am reading are real than I am excited about a Stallion. The climb rate is crazy. Even singe engine climb rate is pretty impressive. Again if all the numbers I read on the Interweb are real. LOL

Mike

I am typed in all three “small tube” Citations. Mustang is my fav for all but long flights. Roomie, good environmentals, great integrated panel, FADEC, fuel burn, capex etc. love the 510.

A similar 500 series capexwise would be a C560 with txi and gtn. Longer legs, faster, more payload much higher fuel burn but also older, no Vnav, no fadec.

The CJ2+ would be great but capex is 2x

I wouldn’t touch a Sierra product at this point.

That might be taking it a bit far...

Mark

Why would you stay away from a Sierra plane? I am new to the jet scene so have no experience to see the pitfalls.

Thanks.
Mike

Sierra was sold to Innova who went bankrupt, I don't believe there is any real support for all of their modifications. I believe their original owner is trying to buy back or get back the STCs currently.