When %#$@ hits the fan, it's nice to have another head in the cockpit. %#$@ is less likely to hit the fan with two heads in the cockpit. Simple act of flying down to minimums becomes that much more simple with on person on instruments and another person with their head looking out of the window and calling for either missed or continued approach at minimums. Many a single pilot died right there, well, about 20 seconds later.

Sean-
Not sure I understand.....the client in this case for whatever reason wanted or needed that limit. It is obviously optional. Sure the pricing is higher than a $5m limit policy (but at the end of the day you are only talking about maybe $5k - $8k more). In context you are looking at a $5m-$9m asset as well. The incremental cost to carry that type of liability amounts to about three Jet A fill-ups. They aren't bending over any more than they are at the fuel pumps or paying ramp, handling fees at the FBO etc. I have never heard of those which carry that type of liability protection refer to the cost of carrying.

A qualified SIC or PIC is going to cost you $40k-$50k a year (SIC) and perhaps work comp coverages, travel expenses, per diem etc. There is no comparison when looking at the incremental cost for higher liability. You won't even come close to what a qualified SIC will run you.

Tom,

How much is the premium for a CJ3/CJ4 owner/pilot with the times and limits you described?

When %#$@ hits the fan, it's nice to have another head in the cockpit. %#$@ is less likely to hit the fan with two heads in the cockpit. Simple act of flying down to minimums becomes that much more simple with on person on instruments and another person with their head looking out of the window and calling for either missed or continued approach at minimums. Many a single pilot died right there, well, about 20 seconds later.

Its time for this thread to die

What is this thread now anyways? It has creeped and morphed way beyond is the cirrus viable. Chute vs no chute, single vs twin, is night IFR single safe, pro vs owner flown safety, best twin, TBM vs Pilatus, how much for insurance, and a few people getting Crandled for good measure. One stop shop, no need to read another thread.

To summarize the last 50+ pages, if the Pilatus had 2 engines, flew above 41,000' with a parachute and a well trained 2 person CRM crew there would be no reason for insurance because it would never crash, but it would sell so well the waiting list would be a decade long? Is that about right?

I'm really excited about the SF50, so I figured I'd make a new thread instead of continuing to hijack the CAPS thread.

I'm not the kind of person that buys anything new and I'm expecting them to depreciate pretty bad the first 10 years. But, after that, I'm optimistic that they'll be reasonably priced and reasonable to operate.

I'd really like more opinions from those of you with more turbine experience (particularly in regards to maintenance/operating costs. I know what the websites say about most turbine airplanes, but I don't think any of them give an accurate picture. Personally, I only have 1 data point (1984 Citation S/II) and it's a negative one.

My hope in 8-10 years:
1M acquisition cost
300 KTAS
800lbs useful with enough fuel for 800 NM trip
<$800/hr worst case with a target at about $600/hr

Am I crazy?

Its time for this thread to die

I was just curious as to the cost of that level of insurance. That number does not include hull does it?