Then you are not who Cirrus is targeting, any more than Porsche targets the minivan shopper. But Beech isn't targeting anyone, they are just waiting for that one person a month to pick p the phone (apparently many times) and call them about getting in line.

Well, let us talk then about something in the same price range as the new piston planes....
http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/DASSAULT-FALCON-10/1985-DASSAULT-FALCON-10/1268935.htm
Looks even good compared to the new Swiss Jet....
Above about a quarter million, the value-air becomes very thin for piston engines.... No matter what vintage.
Oh, did I say this thing travels at 500kn?

Why ? Both of those market segments are already served and neither of the manufacturers in it is making any money.

I wish they developed a small jet, 6 seats or so, single engine, 800lbs in the cabin for 800nm.....

That is why I posted the Falcon 10. Ain't anything better out there.

Never fly the "A" model of anything.

Why ? Both of those market segments are already served and neither of the manufacturers in it is making any money.

I wish they developed a small jet, 6 seats or so, single engine, 800lbs in the cabin for 800nm.....

Anyone want a ride in my G1 I'll be glad to do it: solid, smooth, quiet. It's simply been well maintained.

My 52 Bonanza was (and remains) a solid aircraft due to its maintenance history - I've seen some flying that should be downright unairworthy.

Then again this is the official thread of generalizations and assumptions so carry on.

Wow! 40 pages but I finally made it to the end.


Now I can go back to work and try and recover a weeks worth of lost wages.

Yes, life is full of choices..

Why do so many of us choose to spend our lives here?

#addiction
#lossofselfcontrol
#timeconsuming

Stuart has nailed it in a simple, concise way. I love my V-tail the same way a collector loves a vintage Corvette.

Cirrus isn't marketing to me.

CIrrus isn't marketing to current pilots.

They aren't going for their "piece" of the pie. They are trying to make more pies.

Jason OP was in no way offensive to Beechcraft or their owners--In fact, he's spot on and I applaud Cirrus for their efforts.

Robert,

I don't agree with your assumption about the air above a quarter million dollars.

As has been pointed out a number of times the acquisition cost of the airplane is in many cases the smallest expense you'll encounter in owning the aircraft. These "cheap" jets, many of the "cheap" piston and turbine twins and some of the "cheap" single engine airplanes will bankrupt the buyer if they aren't careful and will certainly give the lie to economical transportation.

Plus, they often don't fit the mission.

For example. My business mission is 100 to 300 NM with 1 to 3 people. Occasional trips 500 miles with 1 to 3. Annual or semi annual trips up to 1,000 NM with 1 to 3 people. No way does a jet, of any size or age make sense for those missions.

A twin may. But a single gets the job done more economically in every case. I've looked at everything. I "want" a lot of them! And before it's all over I may buy some of them. But a SE piston capable of carrying 3 hours of fuel with reserves and 700 or so pounds of payload at 200 KTAS fits the mission profile better than a Falcon, KA, 421, etc. etc.

Then there is the safety issue. A twin is safer with an experienced, capable, current and proficient pilot. I just can't see how I get there and maintain that at my experience level and hours flying per year. Plus, for business flying, while working at a high level, carrying expensive and hard to replace people, the risk goes way up if you're also "the" or only pilot. That means a copilot for extra safety.

So, an airplane that offers SE safety capabilities, plus the redundant systems of a twin, plus an alternative to an SE engine out besides hoping to make it to a runway, makes a lot of sense to me.

A Falcon would be way cooler. A Duke certainly appeals to me, maybe more than any other airplane except a Beech 18. I'd love a TBM if I could justify it (but, really, it doesn't fit the mission very well). The 421 has a much more appealing interior for passengers than a SE airplane. Etc.

But none of those fit the mission(s). Sometimes, an airplane that you never thought about or perhaps even didn't like, works better. Sometimes, spending a lot more money for acquisition is less expensive than buying cheap.

That is what the appeal of the Cirrus is at this point...

Oh yes they are!

Oh yes they are!

I think what is Cirrus is the eye catching fancy paint job and new avionics in the latest version of the SR22 GTS. OF course close to 700k better be nice looking plane! I'd rather get me a Bo for under 100k and invest the balance.

Maybe Tripp is on to something. How many new Cirruses (Cirri?) are sold to first-time owners vs. pilots who have owned other airplanes?