BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2019, 09:17

Username Protected wrote:

Haha, one has google the other doesn’t need it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2019, 09:22

Username Protected wrote:

Then what's Google good for?

Porn?

It’s not 100% fact by a long way.

Andrew

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2019, 09:24

Username Protected wrote:

Haha, one has google the other doesn’t need it.

Andrew

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2019, 09:30

Username Protected wrote:

Haha, one has google the other doesn’t need it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2019, 09:31

Username Protected wrote:

So you're saying "neither source is a good source of information?

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You lost me, what’s the second source?

Andrew

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2019, 09:35

Username Protected wrote:

Haha, one has google the other doesn’t need it.

Andrew

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2019, 09:52

Username Protected wrote:

That's what I'm asking you

I was referring back to Clint’s comments on below with the photo of the guy in the SF50.

[quote=“Tom Drew”]No matter how hard I try, I cannot come to the conclusion that Mr. MU2 has life figured out and this guy doesn't.[/quote]

Mr. Mu2 has told us why the SF50:wont get certified, won’t get past 280 with reference quoted left right and centre and the dude if flying one around dispite all of this.

Andrew

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2019, 09:58

Username Protected wrote:

Mr. Mu2 has told us why the SF50:wont get certified, won’t get past 280 with reference quoted left right and centre and the dude if flying one around dispite all of this.

Andrew

Ohhhhhh.... yes. I agree.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jan 2019, 10:14

Username Protected wrote:

Mr. Mu2 has told us why the SF50:wont get certified, won’t get past 280 with reference quoted left right and centre and the dude if flying one around dispite all of this.

Andrew

Ohhhhhh.... yes. I agree.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2019, 08:53

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCnwxBsij ... t4Q/videos

A channel of Vision vids.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2019, 11:00

[youtube]http://youtu.be/S3OPlmc7hNk[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Feb 2019, 02:44

Username Protected wrote:

Because a piston twin demands precise, quick, and correct action to handle an engine out on a plane that can just barely fly if you are perfect. If you fail, the plane kills you.

This is not true in a jet. There's no engine to feather. There's no large asymmetric thrust to cause a Vmc roll over. There's more than enough power to fly away on one engine. A jet does not have the faults of a piston airplane. That is, in fact, the main point here. The SF50 is sold on the basis of piston beliefs that do not apply.

Mike C.

Mike, have you ever flown a V1 cut in a jet?

It is way, WAY, more violent maneuver than anything in a piston twin.
a) the plane will yaw, violently.
b) even more so if you give it a reverser deployed failure
c) if you want to go crazy, try a compressor stall.
d) the asymmetric thrust is HUGE, and it will flip you upside down very quickly if you don't do it correctly. Much faster than a Vmc roll. And because the plane has plenty of rudder authority, you can also flip it upside down the other direction if you just go full piston mode with the rudder and stomp on it. In the jet I'm training in, you need about 75% of opposite rudder to compensate for the yaw. 100% would flip you upside down the other way though. Piston twin single engine stuff is child's play compared to jets.

It is way easier to kill yourself in a jet V1 cut than a twin piston engine failure. The speeds, forces required etc aren't even close.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Feb 2019, 09:45

I’ve never flown a jet, but... show me the bodies

Easy easy to find examples of piston (and turboprop) engine outs gone bad.

Pretty hard to find them in jets. Nobody’s ever been killed in a sim when an out of control engine out citation comes through the roof of the training facility.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Feb 2019, 09:46

Give me the jet any day. A Citation and a 421C are probably the closest comparisons. I’ve flown both and there is no question which I’d rather lose an engine in.