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On a side note, I've done some posting on EAA and Homebuilt.com websites. Man o man the people over there are extremely jaded and quick to judge. I kinda feel sorry for them.


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My brother is in love with his Epic LT. It is fantastic and pretty efficient. He's like a meth freak and keeps taking it apart to change stuff...he is quite good at that, however. My own opinion is that the wing is on the wrong side...but there's not a lot to see on the ground where he usually flies (27-28).


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My brother is in love with his Epic LT. It is fantastic and pretty efficient. He's like a meth freak and keeps taking it apart to change stuff...he is quite good at that, however. My own opinion is that the wing is on the wrong side...but there's not a lot to see on the ground where he usually flies (27-28).


Very cool. Do you know what he sees in real world numbers? Speed, fuel flow and range?

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My brother is in love with his Epic LT. It is fantastic and pretty efficient. He's like a meth freak and keeps taking it apart to change stuff...he is quite good at that, however. My own opinion is that the wing is on the wrong side...but there's not a lot to see on the ground where he usually flies (27-28).


Very cool. Do you know what he sees in real world numbers? Speed, fuel flow and range?

Thanks

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The Escape, I believe, was sold to a Chinese company and they are going to produce it soon, but as a 6 seat. I do sometimes wonder why they decided to not produce it. I noticed on their website that they originally intended to sell it for $1.2m so that sort of confirms to me that our pricing is doable.


I think that if those numbers indicated it was doable, they would have done it. Instead, Epic went bankrupt and was bought by foreign investors. There's a cautionary tale here. If you can learn from their lessons, then it starts becoming doable.


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The Escape, I believe, was sold to a Chinese company and they are going to produce it soon, but as a 6 seat. I do sometimes wonder why they decided to not produce it. I noticed on their website that they originally intended to sell it for $1.2m so that sort of confirms to me that our pricing is doable.


I think that if those numbers indicated it was doable, they would have done it. Instead, Epic went bankrupt and was bought by foreign investors. There's a cautionary tale here. If you can learn from their lessons, then it starts becoming doable.


From what I understand, Epic went bankrupt because they were trying to certify not just one airplane, but 4 all at the same time. I could be wrong, but that is how it was explained to me.

I'm sure there is more to the story than that. Anyone else have specifics on the story?

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There is a lot more to the story. At this time, that's it.


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Any G36 owners able to share some costs with me? Looking for insurance costs, fuel flows, TAS, and Annual costs. I'll post this again elsewhere but it is somewhat related to what I'm getting at here.


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I created a spreadsheet that shows the cost of flying a turboprop such as the one I suggest vs a G36 Bonanza. Quite interesting how the costs of each work out if you compare the two airplanes with the same number of NM flown a year vs the number of hours a year. IMO comparing NM's flown a year is going to be more accurate since people will more likely have a set of missions they do per year with some extras here and there. Hours per year comparison is less fair because the TP is so much faster that the pilot would be doing a lot of extra missions that he/she otherwise would not have been doing with a G36. It is editable so if anyone has questions on how it works, just ask.

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Edit: It includes cost of annuals, insurance, overhauls... pretty much every cost associated with flying an airplane. Some of the numbers could be a tad off, but surprisingly it doesn't matter too much.


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Extremely functional chart. Good work!


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I created a spreadsheet that shows the cost of flying a turboprop such as the one I suggest vs a G36 Bonanza. Quite interesting how the costs of each work out if you compare the two airplanes with the same number of NM flown a year vs the number of hours a year. IMO comparing NM's flown a year is going to be more accurate since people will more likely have a set of missions they do per year with some extras here and there. Hours per year comparison is less fair because the TP is so much faster that the pilot would be doing a lot of extra missions that he/she otherwise would not have been doing with a G36. It is editable so if anyone has questions on how it works, just ask.

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Experimental 6 seat vs G36.xls


Edit: It includes cost of annuals, insurance, overhauls... pretty much every cost associated with flying an airplane. Some of the numbers could be a tad off, but
surprisingly it doesn't matter too much.



Gerry,

That is a pretty accurate chart for a 2008-2013 G36. I would suggest a little higher cruise speed of 165 vs. 160 and a slightly lower decent speed of 175 vs. 185 @ 600fpm. Your insurance will probably be in the 4-6000 range if you have an instrument rating and over a 100 hours in type. Your annuals are likely around 3500 to 6500 because you are most likely going to take it to a HBC service center during your warranty period. All in all your assumptions are reasonable. Good work.


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I did notice that there is one problem with the calculations. I need to rework and repost.

Thank you for the good complements though. :cheers:


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Ok, I fixed one major issue. The fixed costs weren't being totaled properly on the total costs per year.


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"Very cool. Do you know what he sees in real world numbers? Speed, fuel flow and range?"

I think he now uses 310 knots, 58 gal/hr. I know he used to use 53 gal/hr at about the same speed. I think he hauls 290 gal, but that might be weak information.


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Ok, so I changed up the spreadsheet and added a whole bunch of extra stuff. I just hope it doesn't get too confusing, lol.

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Experimental 6 seat vs G36.xls


Edit: Found an error. Change the cell F40 on the main page to 40,000.

Improved formatting and corrected a few calculation errors. I guess I should have looked over more of it before posting, lol. Final values haven't changed too much, but there were little things that didn't seem right until corrected.

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