BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 15:24

Username Protected wrote:

But owner operators is really the fastest growing market and has been for years. It is what Cirrus mostly represents and the direction Cessna is going with all the small and mid size jets. Embrear has also moved in this direction....

Tim

I don't disagree at all. It's still a small segment of their business though and they are likely going to need more than a nudge to start thinking differently.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 16:44

Jason,

On the last 2 350s I flew, one used the lap top, the second used a thumb drive, much easier. But, as you said, it takes a pile of power....I bought a 75 amp Start Pac power supply and even with that had to pull the breakers on the PFDs to not overload the power supply.

I wondered why they didn't put the FMS and data unit on a separate bus that wouldn't require closing the bus ties and turning on all the avionics. That might allow you to do a 20 minute download without plugging in. (Collins PL21)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 16:48

They know the updates come out every 2 weeks. So in response to this they make it a major deal to do an update? I just don't understand the logic.

Why is it so easy for Garmin? Makes no sense.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 17:13

Very nice!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 18:27

Username Protected wrote:

I wondered why they didn't put the FMS and data unit on a separate bus that wouldn't require closing the bus ties and turning on all the avionics. That might allow you to do a 20 minute download without plugging in. (Collins PL21)

How about a battery and a wireless transmitter that automatically downloads the updates while the aircraft is parked. If the download hasn't taken place 24hrs before expiration, the operator gets an email alert.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 18:40

Username Protected wrote:

They know the updates come out every 2 weeks. So in response to this they make it a major deal to do an update? I just don't understand the logic.

Why is it so easy for Garmin? Makes no sense.

Don't want to hijack the thread, but is this typical of all PC-12/Honeywell systems? We're looking at a PC-12 and this would be the 4th different update program.

BTW: The BE-400 still uses five 4.5" floppy disks to load an update. (try finding those these days) Takes about 40 min per FMS to do the job.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 18:48

Username Protected wrote:

I wear the O2 masks in the Pilatus for fun just to scare people.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 19:10

Wasn't Harper saying he needed something like this??? :whistle:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 19:11

Username Protected wrote:

Don't want to hijack the thread, but is this typical of all PC-12/Honeywell systems? We're looking at a PC-12 and this would be the 4th different update program.

BTW: The BE-400 still uses five 4.5" floppy disks to load an update. (try finding those these days) Takes about 40 min per FMS to do the job.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 19:38

Username Protected wrote:

They know the updates come out every 2 weeks. So in response to this they make it a major deal to do an update? I just don't understand the logic.

Why is it so easy for Garmin? Makes no sense.

I realize you're comparing Garmin to Honeywell, but I sure wouldn't call the Garmin experience "so easy".

Maybe newer Garmin units are better, but for my 530 I have to use Garmin's proprietary card and plug it into their proprietary reader and use crappy software on a computer (which had to run Windows until a month ago). All this for literally a couple of megabytes of data. And I'm supposed to do it every month. :pullhair:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 20:57

My $100.00 Kindle downloads books for free over 3g. A $2 million dollar aircraft made the same year, with annual operating budgets over $100k, requires a laptop or a USB stick and takes 1.5 hours. Cannot even use wifi. The world is a funny place.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 21:30

Username Protected wrote:

My $100.00 Kindle downloads books for free over 3g. A $2 million dollar aircraft made the same year, with annual operating budgets over $100k, requires a laptop or a USB stick and takes 1.5 hours. Cannot even use wifi. The world is a funny place.

Boom.... Exactly.

The Honeywell Apex came out in 2008. Not like Wifi wasn't around then. Hell, Iphones were around then. What dipshit did they put in charge of this?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 May 2013, 22:32

Username Protected wrote:

My $100.00 Kindle downloads books for free over 3g. A $2 million dollar aircraft made the same year, with annual operating budgets over $100k, requires a laptop or a USB stick and takes 1.5 hours. Cannot even use wifi. The world is a funny place.

Boom.... Exactly.

The Honeywell Apex came out in 2008. Not like Wifi wasn't around then. Hell, Iphones were around then. What dipshit did they put in charge of this?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 May 2013, 11:06

I thought I read that you can use an ipad for updates now.

edit...although now I am lookin for it, i thought it was at somebodies website under news. Though I can't imagine how it would be done, so I am probably wrong on this....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 12:19

http://ww1.jeppesen.com/company/newsroo ... app_NR.jsp

Jeppesen and Honeywell Introduce Industry First Mobile INDS Data Loading App to Deliver Avionics Updates from iPad

Pilatus launches their new jet.... PC24