BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Oct 2012, 18:36

The Premier, sadly, has bad resale value. Citations, especially 2 and up do very well. With the Mustang being the exception (and my favorite)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Oct 2012, 22:09

Myself am just watching the M2 develop.
To me the Phenom 100 is somthing to consider.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 04:07

The Premier 1 has relatively short legs I believe (1000nm at a push), but it is certainly a heck of a lot more airplane than any CJ1 or 2 will ever be. It can get to high altitudes, cruise much faster, has a proper "big jet" feeling cabin, a real potty, Proline 21 etc etc and it is new technology being composite etc.

The CJ series are nice, but they are just Citations :shrug:

Maybe take a look at A Hawker 400 XP, the 400XP offers a hell of a bang for the buck in todays second hand market and that is a 1400nm plane that will go directr to FL410 at gross and sit at 460kts , with 7 pax seats and a true lavatory.

Oh the joys of airplane shopping...... :rock:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 05:39

Not the XP, but the XPR or XT. I don't think those are SP, though.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 07:06

Username Protected wrote:

I fly 300 hours a year. If I get a CJ3 I will fly it everywhere including Europe and I will fly to places much farther away so I think I'd fly even more.

If you plan to fly international, get the aircraft with the most range. If you are not averse to considering mod aircraft then the Clifford modified SII is a great aircraft for single pilot international flying. An acquaintance of mine traded his Citation Eagle in after two trips to South America where he said that he spent more time in airports than in the air. The modified SII cuts the stops down by a factor of 2. Flying domestically, you stop where you want to. Flying internationally, you stop where you are allowed to. The more range the better. I do not know of any single pilot jet that will out range the modified SII.

I believe that Sierra Industries now also does the mod to the SII. When my friend bought it was just Clifford.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 07:26

Username Protected wrote:

The Premier 1 has relatively short legs I believe (1000nm at a push), but it is certainly a heck of a lot more airplane than any CJ1 or 2 will ever be. It can get to high altitudes, cruise much faster, has a proper "big jet" feeling cabin, a real potty, Proline 21 etc etc and it is new technology being composite etc.

The CJ series are nice, but they are just Citations :shrug:

Maybe take a look at A Hawker 400 XP, the 400XP offers a hell of a bang for the buck in todays second hand market and that is a 1400nm plane that will go directr to FL410 at gross and sit at 460kts , with 7 pax seats and a true lavatory.

Oh the joys of airplane shopping...... :rock:

That Hawker is 2 pilots no? Don't want 2 pilots.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 08:57

I think single pilot jets are limited to the Eclipse, Phenom 100, CJs, Mustang, and the Premier.

Since you want to take advantage of the used resale market, why not investigate a G1000 conversion on a low hour, pre-CJ1? You'd get the vast Cessna service network, and have more availability of secondary sourced parts. It's not as sexy as the Phenom, but it probably makes more economical sense.

http://garmin.blogs.com/uk/2011/07/firs ... onjet.html

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 09:21

Username Protected wrote:

I fly 300 hours a year. If I get a CJ3 I will fly it everywhere including Europe and I will fly to places much farther away so I think I'd fly even more.

If you plan to fly international, get the aircraft with the most range. If you are not averse to considering mod aircraft then the Clifford modified SII is a great aircraft for single pilot international flying. An acquaintance of mine traded his Citation Eagle in after two trips to South America where he said that he spent more time in airports than in the air. The modified SII cuts the stops down by a factor of 2. Flying domestically, you stop where you want to. Flying internationally, you stop where you are allowed to. The more range the better. I do not know of any single pilot jet that will out range the modified SII.

I believe that Sierra Industries now also does the mod to the SII. When my friend bought it was just Clifford.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 09:27

How much are they? I can't find any for sale

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 09:33

Username Protected wrote:

Myself am just watching the M2 develop.
To me the Phenom 100 is somthing to consider.

The Phenom 100 doesn't have thrust reversors with poor braking.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 09:39

Username Protected wrote:

Myself am just watching the M2 develop.
To me the Phenom 100 is somthing to consider.

The Phenom 100 doesn't have thrust reversors with poor braking.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 09:43

Cost of the conversion is your airframe plus $2.4 million as of an article I read about it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 09:49

Username Protected wrote:

Cost of the conversion is your airframe plus $2.4 million as of an article I read about it.

Or just go buy a late model jet for less.

I understand the conversion is awesome. But it's along the same lines as the turbine Duke. Incredible performance but you're going to be buried in it. I like liquid assets.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 09:52

Username Protected wrote:

The Phenom sure looks good, better features than the CJ1.... and the CJ3 seems overkill.

But this stuff is out of my league. If I were seriously shopping VLJs, I could argue a good turboprop would do the job better..... the Blackhawk KA or the dash 10 Commander would be on my list.

The Commander would beat the pants off those VLJs in just about everything, and the jet would only be a bit faster on trips over 500 miles or so.

+1

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2012, 09:55

Username Protected wrote:

:scratch: can someone tell me exactly what is so much more difficult about flying a pressurized plane?
Sure it's one more system but it's a pretty simple system to operate.
I guess it's one more thing to remember to set for your descent but as part of a pro trick I learned you set your DH before you begin your descent...
What else makes it hard?
Donning the mask? In an emergency?
:shrug:

If I had the means, and I needed a get there airplane it would be a small blip on the decision tree....
Of course if I had the means instead of buying one go fast get there plane I'd buy six planes....
But from my experience I'd strongly consider a turbo commander... With the dash10s ..... It gets up and goes yet is still an awesomely fund to fly pilots airplane.... And they can be had cheap.
Fl 280 iAs 175 tas 280 burning 280# s a side. Not a bad combo...

Chester,

Agreed, pressurization isn't particularly difficult... just one more thing, and some systems are fairly automatic. And you will have something that drives the pressure... perhaps a pump or bleed air..... and that requires systems knowledge and can fail.

I've said before that flying the same weather on the same routes isn't significantly harder or easier in a particular plane, but there are some issues.

There may be and advantage to really climb over weather, and a jet will do it better.... and can get into a really lousy spot if that fails (as the turbo prop can). The jet and turbo prop are faster and one has to think a bit faster, but very similar as going from a 172 to a Bonanza. Easily learned. And, "generally" there can be more systems and parts in a bigger plane also not a huge deal.

CJ1 vs. CJ3 vs. Phenom