BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 18:56

Username Protected wrote:

it seems like a nice airplane that fits a niche nicely.

That niche is SR22 owners who fancy a jet that goes slow, low, and short, and mistakenly believe one engine is simpler.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 20:17

Username Protected wrote:

The Vision Jet definitely has its own niche. It's also a Koolaid airplane, and those that buy them are drinking a lot of it. I can’t imagine paying twice the price of my Mustang to buy one, regardless of how much newer it would be.

Yeah, those people who can pay over 2 million for a brand new jet, they sure are dumb. I can't believe they've been suckered out of all that money. Must be hard being so dumb, that all you can do is throw away a small part of your millions on it. They're not even smart enough to get their money back from those thieves at Cirrus. They must all be fresh lottery winners, since smart people who've worked hard for their money, and made smart choices to be able to afford a new jet, wouldn't throw away money on a useless toy.

:popcorn:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 20:31

Easy there Juber. Getting a bit heavy. It’s not about being dumb, smart, suckered, or frivolous. And no one said it’s a useless toy. It’s just not a strong value proposition unless you like Koolaid.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 20:35

I think the cabin difference on vision is a big deal relative to a Mustang or really any setp. I fit fine in all but the Vision I sat in was the most comfortable from a pilot perspective by far. Also easy to get in and out of.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 21:03

Username Protected wrote:

Easy there Juber. Getting a bit heavy. It’s not about being dumb, smart, suckered, or frivolous. And no one said it’s a useless toy. It’s just not a strong value proposition unless you like Koolaid.

A strong value proposition is in the eye of the beholder. That's why we have so many choices in cars, planes, houses, places to live, etc. It baffles me that so many people are unable to accept that for someone, a Vision Jet is perfect, and for another, a Bonanza fills the need.

Wish the owner of any plane well, they've made a choice that works for them. With or without "kool aid".

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 21:06

One of my tenants bought a Vision Jet. He is a non pilot Tech guy and hired a pro pilot to fly it.

The first time the pro pilot refused to fly IMC at night from Salt Lake to the SF Bay Area the jet magically disappeared.

There is now a Cirrus SR22 in the hangar.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 21:21

Who flys that for him? Same guy?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 21:25

Don’t know

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 21:26

Username Protected wrote:

The first time the pro pilot refused to fly IMC at night from Salt Lake to the SF Bay Area the jet magically disappeared.

There is now a Cirrus SR22 in the hangar.

Huh? The “pro” pilot wants an SR-22 for that night/IMC/mountains flight instead of an SF-50 ????
:scratch:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 21:31

Username Protected wrote:

The first time the pro pilot refused to fly IMC at night from Salt Lake to the SF Bay Area the jet magically disappeared.

There is now a Cirrus SR22 in the hangar.

Huh? The “pro” pilot wants an SR-22 for that night/IMC/mountains flight instead of an SF-50 ????
:scratch:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 21:32

Username Protected wrote:

The first time the pro pilot refused to fly IMC at night from Salt Lake to the SF Bay Area the jet magically disappeared.

There is now a Cirrus SR22 in the hangar.

Huh? The “pro” pilot wants an SR-22 for that night/IMC/mountains flight instead of an SF-50 ????
:scratch:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2021, 21:33

Thanks for the extra information, Gerald! You beat my post by a minute!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Jul 2021, 13:07

Username Protected wrote:

One of my tenants bought a Vision Jet. He is a non pilot Tech guy and hired a pro pilot to fly it.

The first time the pro pilot refused to fly IMC at night from Salt Lake to the SF Bay Area the jet magically disappeared.

There is now a Cirrus SR22 in the hangar.

Would the same "pro-pilot" refuse the same mission in a Meridian, TBM or PC12?

Single engine, being single engine and all.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Jul 2021, 13:08

Username Protected wrote:

I think the cabin difference on vision is a big deal relative to a Mustang or really any setp. I fit fine in all but the Vision I sat in was the most comfortable from a pilot perspective by far. Also easy to get in and out of.

Exactly.

My wife loved it too, front and back seats.

There's just not $2M and 65gph worth of places we need to go.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Jul 2021, 13:22

Username Protected wrote:

My wife loved it too, front and back seats.

There's just not $2M and 65gph worth of places we need to go.

When you put it like that....2M buys a lot of charter, small jet or a SETP. It might seem expensive, but the customer is paying for somebody to take away ownership and pilot hassles.

Anyone here flying a Vision jet?