BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 16:35

Username Protected wrote:

Yep, just like global warming, but we know it is true because Al says so and that is better than anything else.

Many faiths out there, pick the one you like. But, there are data on the warming part, and yes it is getting warmer, has been for some time now (where I live used to be under about a mile of ice).

Massive thread drift underway here.....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 16:40

Username Protected wrote:

But, there are data on the warming part, and yes it is getting warmer, has been for some time now (where I live used to be under about a mile of ice).

Massive thread drift underway here.....

The data's just a little lacking on the "man made" part of the equation. :pullhair:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 16:43

Username Protected wrote:

Yep, just like global warming, but we know it is true because Al says so and that is better than anything else.

Many faiths out there, pick the one you like. But, there are data on the warming part, and yes it is getting warmer, has been for some time now (where I live used to be under about a mile of ice).

Massive thread drift underway here.....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 16:45

Username Protected wrote:

I agree Todd^

But I think they should institute more "radio skills" in the PPL. I hate when guys don't know how to use the radio.

Honestly, I wasn't very good at radio until I came across a CFI that was psycho about "speaking properly" on the radio. It truly changed my flying.

I don't know how to tell people they suck on the radio.

How about "you suck on the radio,". That should get the point across.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 16:50

Username Protected wrote:

But, there are data on the warming part, and yes it is getting warmer, has been for some time now (where I live used to be under about a mile of ice).

Massive thread drift underway here.....

The data's just a little lacking on the "man made" part of the equation. :pullhair:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 16:57

Username Protected wrote:

Actually, to be half serious for a moment, there are also reasonable data on atmospheric CO2 content and what portion of that is from recent combustion of "fossil" carbon. Those values plus the warming trend are why you can build a model where they are related via cause/effect. Clearly we are doing the experiment to test the models, just won't know the answer for quite a while. :shrug:

But plenty of folks have "faith" in complex computer models. I used to write them (not climate ones), so you know where I stand.

Do any of the computer models include water vapor since it has very high global warming potential?

To my knowledge they do not.

And reference Dino's post re: low level atmospheric warming which must occur if the "greenhouse effect" is real . . . and apparently it's not.

Again I will quote the Illinois State Museums website: "During most of the last 1 billion years the earth had no permanent ice. However, sometimes large areas of the globe were covered with vast ice sheets. These times are known as ice ages."

Is polar ice normal or not??? :deadhorse:

Could it be that we are in a "natural" cycle coming out of an Ice Age, if indeed the temps are increasing and not decreasing?

Or will I get sent straight to Hades for being a non-believer and be forced to sit next to Jason for eternity? :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 17:09

Username Protected wrote:

Yes, but at least it is a justified ending since you have been warned about your lack of faith and how unsafe singles are :stir:

Same arguments for both-- neither provable via available data, YPYMAYTYC.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 17:10

Username Protected wrote:

Many faiths out there, pick the one you like. But, there are data on the warming part, and yes it is getting warmer, has been for some time now (where I live used to be under about a mile of ice).

Massive thread drift underway here.....

Mars is "warming up" too.

Must be the Martians with their avgas Bonanza's!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 17:10

Username Protected wrote:

How about "you suck on the radio,". That should get the point across.

I'm gonna try that next time.

Seriously!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 17:12

Username Protected wrote:

Actually, to be half serious for a moment, there are also reasonable data on atmospheric CO2 content and what portion of that is from recent combustion of "fossil" carbon. Those values plus the warming trend are why you can build a model where they are related via cause/effect. Clearly we are doing the experiment to test the models, just won't know the answer for quite a while. :shrug:

But plenty of folks have "faith" in complex computer models. I used to write them (not climate ones), so you know where I stand.

So where are the computers measuring all this data from 1 million years ago?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 17:26

This thread has to be a candidate for the largest thread drift of all time! Religion and global warming???

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 17:28

Well then again maybe it wouldn't be obvious where I stand, but anyone who has written complex computer models knows that you can make them do whatever you want, it is only where you have some really tightly defined data and well understood processes that you can rely on them with any confidence, and then really only inside the box defined by existing data and process (ie extrapolation is much dodgier).

Folks who are certain they know the truth about our global climate, and how what we have done, and will do, has and will affect it, are basing their certainty on faith, same as single vs twin.

(Jason, you can measure CO2 content from air trapped in ice cores, as a decent way to sample the atmosphere from a long time ago. But like anything of this sort, there are always uncertainties).

And I think this may take the prize for thread drift ! ! !

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 17:29

OK - I will end the thread drift with fact. The Earth is warming because God wants it to and there is nothing us puny whimps can do about it.

There, fact, end of story.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 17:32

Username Protected wrote:

:scratch:

Exactly

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Nov 2009, 17:40

Username Protected wrote:

(Jason, you can measure CO2 content from air trapped in ice cores, as a decent way to sample the atmosphere from a long time ago. But like anything of this sort, there are always uncertainties).

And I think this may take the prize for thread drift ! ! !

Riiight.

CO2 trapped in Ice Cores contain all the answers. Thank you Jesus for delivering this irrefutable and factual evidence to us!!! :roll:

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