Given the size of their waiting list on everything else they make, I'll take that bet.

I'll also take that bet.

Need to place a order for tip tanks ASAP....

Given the size of their waiting list on everything else they make, I'll take that bet.

John,

You're on. Flag this post. Now, you airplane holds more than mine so we will use the Cessna 180 tank as the bet: 60 gallons and fuel prices at my hangar. This airplane will not be in production in the U.S. in September, 2023.

Jg[/quote]


JGG

Just lawyering here - it will never be in production in the US. They plan to build them in Austria I believe.

RAS

John,

You're on. Flag this post. Now, you airplane holds more than mine so we will use the Cessna 180 tank as the bet: 60 gallons and fuel prices at my hangar. This airplane will not be in production in the U.S. in September, 2023.

Jg

Diamond has a factory in London, Ontario in Canada. I have ferried DA40s from that location. No production in the U.S.

I think the new Mooney owners’ plan is to increase the UL of the Acclaim and Ovation, then add a BRS. That will take a little time to be sure from a certification perspective, but that will make some difference in sales. How much of a difference remains to be seen, but I think they will sell more than they had been selling.

However, the cabin is small relative to the competition and at least from my personal experience, not a cabin I would choose to sit in for a long cross country. Especially with someone else up front. Admittedly, I’m bigger than I should be, but so are most US pilots.

I’m in the minority here but I like the looks of the new Diamond single. Having said that, the range and speed are underwhelming. As noted above, I would MUCH rather have a Panthera than the Diamond. Better performance, comparable fuel economy and if my memory is correct, the version of the Lycoming 540 Pipistrel is using will run on mogas as well as avgas ...

As an experimental aircraft it won’t be FIKI but it will have de-icing (probably TKS but that’s not clear) as well as BRS and A/C as options. The certified version whenever they get that done will have FIKI. 4 seats vs 5 in the Diamond but great performance, trailing link gear and good fuel economy (plus you can recover normally from a 10-turn spin should you find yourself in that situation). Pipistrel’s main issue has been their fascination with the technology versus actually getting a plane to market but it looks like they are finally starting to do that ...

As a result of competition from Cirrus at one end and Pipistrel at the other, for example, I think the Diamond will have some headwinds but I appreciate that they are continuing to innovate and bring aircraft to market. The RG50 just got certified by EASA so they are definitely underway here.

Cheers

If there is a parachute on the airplane, they'll sell a bunch of them. I'd buy one over a Cirrus. It simply flies better.


If the seats are designed like the 201 MSE and the Bravo and current acclaim, you sit with your legs nicely stretched out and you're comfortable. I find that a Mooney is more comfortable on long trips with your legs in that position that in a seated position ala the Cessna 182 or the Cirrus.

I'm 6'4".

If it was only going to be sold and marketed in the US, that would be a good bet. But....

The DA 50RG just received EASA certification.

[Link] https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/dia ... ification/[/Link]

I‘m afraid you‘ve been misled here. The fuel prices for Jet-A are often quoted without the taxes that private owners pay on them, because AOC holders usually are exempt from them. Jet-A over here is usually 20-25% cheaper than 100LL, but not 5x like you quote. Typical prices for private owners at „cheap-ish“ airport would be $6-7/gal for Jet-A and $8-9/gal for 100LL.

For clarification. John Meyers and I have a bet and since the airplane is not to be manufactured in the U.S., it needs clarification. The betting window is closed.

John, since the whole point is emphasis and entertainmet, I'll let you redefine the terms to your satisfaction. I will suggest this: The bet is for 60 gallons of av gas that the Diamond 50RG will or will not be after September 1, 2023,

1. Be actively marketed in the U.S.

and

2. Sell 5 or more new aircraft in the preceding six month period of March-September, 2003.

Other than the amount of 60 gallons, it is your call entirely. You set the bet. If you don't want to bother, that's fine too, we'll just use the parameters for enjoyable entertainment.

Jg

Absolutely. I’m 6’8.

I’ll buy a round at Oshkosh if either of us remember this thread in three years.

I’ll buy a round at Oshkosh if either of us remember this thread in three years.