For those that want more propellers:
http://www.universetoday.com/120096/nas ... ric-plane/

Ten of them....


Tim

External baggage is better than in cabin
I guess if you can't have internal. When one uses external baggage don't they have to sort bags/stuff? Non-pressurized, isn't it? Can you trust pacs to tell you nothing in their bag will bust if put in unpressurized? I have a bike I take. Have to deflate tires to put it in unpressurized. I can see golf clubs, skis etc.
O.K. ladies, make sure you sort things and put them in a separate bag if being at FLXXX may cause them to explode......

I can see external storage being great for golf clubs and skis.
Otherwise, pressurized seems like it has an advantage,

Tim

Internal baggage is only better if you have the cargo door. Otherwise, I'd want external baggage. Much easier to load external baggage. Lugging baggage thru a cabin is a back breaker.

Your bike would be fine, even if you put it into space. The difference in pressure is only 14.7 PSI. Space shuttle tires are fine, and the wells are unpressurized. The plastic tubes with shaving gel, or skin cream don't fare so well, though.

I really like having the bags inside in the KA. I can see it being a pain in the Citation to haul down the aisle and put inside behind the seats.

I love having the bags in the PC12. Never really gave "external" baggage much thought. Kinda didn't know it existed.

Aren't high-flying tires all filled with nitrogen, such that expansion doesn't happen at higher altitudes?

Aren't high-flying tires all filled with nitrogen, such that expansion doesn't happen at higher altitudes?

Getting back on track here...

Already sounds like Pilatus has a home run. In this thread alone there have been comments by those loyal to the brand already ordering the new product. Brand loyalty is strong....

Peace,
Don

Which shows you that you can create both demand and brand loyalty from nothing. Nobody in the US knew Pilatus from a hole in the wall 15 years ago. Look at them now - the Mercedes Benz of aviation. The gold standard.

Good job from the engineers and the marketing people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law

All gases expand with less pressure.

Dry nitrogen is used because it doesn't contain moisture that can condense out in cold, and it doesn't contain oxygen which promotes corrosion or contribute to a fire. It has nothing to do expansion and temperature per se.

Mike C.

That's why the PC12s (and PC24) have a cargo door. You can load your luggage with a forklift (I have seen pics of a PC12 with two Harleys in the back).

Only if your airplane can fly in space.

If your bike is in an 8,000 ft cabin or pressurized baggage compartment, then the pressure change is only about 4 PSI. If the bike is in an unpressurized baggage compartment at FL410, the pressure change is 11 PSI. But note that it will be colder up higher, so the pressure will actually not be that much higher in reality due to the temperature change.

Maybe lawn tractor tires would be an issue due to their low pressure, but no bicycle will be affected.

Mike C.

External versus internal baggage is not really the issue. The issue is access.

Internal baggage access in an Eclipse EA500 is horrible. Comes in the front door and you have to move it over the seats to the rear baggage area.

Internal baggage access to a long body MU2 is excellent. Rear door and the baggage is right there. The PC-12 and PC-24 look to be similar.

External baggage is not necessarily unpressurized. In a jet, I think it is quite common for it to be pressurized.

My short body MU2 has all types. I have internal cabin baggage ares (behind rear seat), external pressurized (left side), external unpressurized (right side).

The simplicity of a single access door for both passengers and baggage is good, IMO.

Mike C.