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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 13 Jan 2019, 22:48 |
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Username Protected wrote:   Looks good to me Ah, yes, two kid seats in back... Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 13 Jan 2019, 22:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ah, yes, two kid seats in back...
Yep, and I have two kids. How did they know?? damn Facebook.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 13 Jan 2019, 23:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think that green and white SF50 needs a smile painted on the bottom of the nose like the old PSA 727s. Perhaps a button nose as well. It would complete the character of the exterior.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 14 Jan 2019, 08:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone find it strange that the kids are (not) watching a doc on steam trains?
Odd choice. I find it more strange that they are watching video-only with no sound, apparently mom&dad in front have headsets, kids back closer to the engine have none
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 14 Jan 2019, 10:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone find it strange that the kids are (not) watching a doc on steam trains?
Odd choice. I find it more strange that they are watching video-only with no sound, apparently mom&dad in front have headsets, kids back closer to the engine have none
Since when does good marketing involve logic? My theory is that they are trying to conjure up warm memories of the kids watching Thomas the Train.
Based on the experience I've had at some of the Airventure displays I'd expect some of the other manufacturer's marketing to have images of kids in the back with hair raised in a negative g style, panic stricken faces, with airsickness bags in their hands.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 14 Jan 2019, 13:29 |
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Quoting airplane expenses "by the hour" is flawed logic. I don't fly the same number of hours as you. We need to quit using the "by the hour" method.
My buddy came up with a great formula:
It costs me X every January to have it sitting at the airport waiting for me. Then it costs me X per hour in gas.
So now decide what check you write every January and if you can swallow it.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 14 Jan 2019, 14:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: I found a Gulfstream cockpit to be too small.  Because with few exceptions, its flown by hired help, not an owner.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 14 Jan 2019, 15:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone find it strange that the kids are (not) watching a doc on steam trains?
Odd choice. Attachment: InflightMovie.png
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 14 Jan 2019, 17:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: That video reinforces that multiengine airplanes without parachutes often explode.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 14 Jan 2019, 21:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_FJ33
Applications
Adam A700
ATG Javelin
Cirrus Vision SF50
Diamond D-Jet
Epic Elite
Flaris LAR01
Spectrum S-33 Independence
Sport Jet II
Eclipse 700 Reads like the membership list for the Broken Dreams Jet Club. Selecting an FJ33 is like the kiss of death. It should be noted that the FJ33-5A in the SF50 isn't a "true" FJ33. It's a modified FJ44-3AP. Williams found it more expedient to adapt an FJ44 than provide a true FJ33. Thus the FJ33-5A is on the FJ44 type certificate. Maybe that's why the SF50 is the only plane listed above to make it to deliveries. There is a "true" FJ33, the FJ33-4A-15. It has been certified, on its own type certificate, and was slated to power the D-Jet, but that program was canceled. It was too weak for the SF50. Mike C.
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Quote: The perfect powerplant for the Vision SF50
The Williams FJ33-5A is a scaled down version of the widely popular FJ44 engine.
According to Williams, over 5000 FJ44s are in service and have accumulated over 10 million light hours. Legendary reliability, a superior thrust-to-weight ratio and world class customer service are some of the reasons why Cirrus se-lected the Williams FJ33 to power the Vision Jet.
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Williams International is a perennial favorite in the Pro Pilot Powerplant Product Support Survey. Over the 18 years Williams has been included in the Survey, the company has outscored its nearest rival by 5%. The FJ33-5A is based on the same technologies as the larger FJ44 powerplant, which has a pedigree 2nd-to-none with over 5000 engines in service accumulating more than 10 million hours
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 14 Jan 2019, 23:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: ok but? You must have a strange keyboard. Copy/paste must be free, but every original character must cost a dollar. Mike C.
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