BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2023, 22:44

Username Protected wrote:

Do you honestly expect someone to admit to violating an FAR in a public forum using their real name?

Not really, I'm genuinely interested in how many of the SP Jet guys handle this.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2023, 22:47

Username Protected wrote:

Do you honestly expect someone to admit to violating an FAR in a public forum using their real name?

No, but it’s worth noting that not one jet pilot has piped up and said “I wear my mask at all times that are required by the FARs.”

The silence is enlightening.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2023, 22:58

Username Protected wrote:

The way some approach turbine maintenance around here I hope there are more than zero who wear an 02 mask up high . . . Oh wait

That’s an easy answer for me. I "pay by the hour" for my plane so I fly at the fastest altitudes. Mike C for example "pays by the gallon" so he flies at the highest altitudes- so if you’re looking to find out how he refills his oxygen every landing, I suspect he’ll answer promptly. Our oxygen tank goes annual to annual with just a top off. If we flew higher regularly I’d be curious if refilling had to be done with an A+P sign off. We have our own nitro tanks for tires. Not sure about refilling our O2.

Chip-

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2023, 23:12

Username Protected wrote:

The way some approach turbine maintenance around here

I don't know anyone on BT who maintains their turbine airplane poorly so this sort of vague accusation is unwarranted in my view.

Who are you talking about?

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2023, 23:50

I need to post something in this thread so it'll come up in my View Your Posts instead of missing several days before I notice it again.

I fly a lowly B200. It's very expensive (relative to legacy Citations - I have Dash -52 engines and G1000Nxi panel in a very low time airframe) and only goes about 285 kts in the summer and 300 kts in the winter whilst burnin' about 90 gph.

As for complicated operational statistics, have at 'em. It's fun to chit chat, I agree.

But what matters to me: I think my plane is prettier than all ya'lls.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2023, 23:52

Username Protected wrote:

Mike C pays by the gallon so he flies at the highest altitudes

I run mostly FL400 and FL410 on trips that permit flying that high.

Only a few times have I flown at FL430, and so far, I have not gone to FL450.

So I don't quite go as high as I could. The plane gets wheezy up there and I can reach FL410 at gross weight nearly all the time.

At FL450, 85% of the atmosphere is below you. Exiting an airlock of the International Space Station would only be 15% worse than being depressurized at FL450. You are flying a space ship at those altitudes.

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If we flew higher regularly I’d be curious if refilling had to be done with an A+P sign off.

Curiously, refilling oxygen bottles is NOT listed under part 43 Appendix A(c), things a pilot can do, even though many other seemingly more serious activities are, like replacing fuel lines.

I have my shop refill mine, they don't put anything in the aircraft records when they do, and I would do it myself if I needed to. It is a consumable like fuel, engine oil, tire nitrogen, and windshield deice fluid.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Nov 2023, 00:08

Username Protected wrote:

I need to post something in this thread so it'll come up in my View Your Posts instead of missing several days before I notice it again.

I fly a lowly B200. It's very expensive (relative to legacy Citations - I have Dash -52 engines and G1000Nxi panel in a very low time airframe) and only goes about 285 kts in the summer and 300 kts in the winter whilst burnin' about 90 gph.

As for complicated operational statistics, have at 'em. It's fun to chit chat, I agree.

But what matters to me: I think my plane is prettier than all ya'lls.

So in the winter you are getting about 3.8mpg, I am getting about 3.3mpg in the mid 30’s and 3.7mpg if I go higher. So not that different and I am faster cruise, faster climb, and no risk of VMC roll.

The fuel cost for a williams 501 is pretty comparable to your KA. I know my plane is an outlier but that’s why I bought it. It’s pretty good on fuel for a jet.

That being said if I am held low I get killed on fuel. Or like yesterday into Van nuys they were landing 34 and I had to come around from the arrival. I think that little extra maneuver cost me a couple hundred in fuel. So it’s not all a bed of roses. Haha.

Mike

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Nov 2023, 00:15

Username Protected wrote:

Curiously, refilling oxygen bottles is NOT listed under part 43 Appendix A(c), things a pilot can do, even though many other seemingly more serious activities are, like replacing fuel lines.

I have my shop refill mine, they don't put anything in the aircraft records when they do, and I would do it myself if I needed to. It is a consumable like fuel, engine oil, tire nitrogen, and windshield deice fluid.

Mike C.

Your second paragraph explains the first.

Other things not listed under 43/A/c:
Adding gas
Adding oil
Adding air to the tires

None of the above items are maintenance.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Nov 2023, 01:19

Username Protected wrote:

Curiously, refilling oxygen bottles is NOT listed under part 43 Appendix A(c), things a pilot can do, even though many other seemingly more serious activities are, like replacing fuel lines.

I have my shop refill mine, they don't put anything in the aircraft records when they do, and I would do it myself if I needed to. It is a consumable like fuel, engine oil, tire nitrogen, and windshield deice fluid.

Mike C.

Your second paragraph explains the first.

Other things not listed under 43/A/c:
Adding gas
Adding oil
Adding air to the tires

None of the above items are maintenance.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Nov 2023, 01:46

Username Protected wrote:

I filled a lot of oxygen for my A36. But that’s not allowed for my plane

Why is it not allowed for your plane?

If your POH/AFM tells you how to fill it, then it seems the manuals enable pilots to do so.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Dec 2023, 07:21

Username Protected wrote:

I filled a lot of oxygen for my A36. But that’s not allowed for my plane

Why is it not allowed for your plane?

If your POH/AFM tells you how to fill it, then it seems the manuals enable pilots to do so.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Dec 2023, 10:18

Username Protected wrote:

We are a company that sells Inogen G5 portable oxygen units to pilots with 5 year warranty. If you are in need and don't want to fill up your bottles anymore let us know.

Your bottles never require refilling? That's amazing!

I'll buy one for sure if that is the case.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Dec 2023, 10:20

Username Protected wrote:

We are a company that sells Inogen G5 portable oxygen units to pilots with 5 year warranty. If you are in need and don't want to fill up your bottles anymore let us know.

Your bottles never require refilling? That's amazing!

I'll buy one for sure if that is the case.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Dec 2023, 10:41

Username Protected wrote:

The Inogen G5 is a portable concentrator and doesn't require tanks, It make oxygen out of standard air. Let me know I you have any questions.

Jon Abbotts
Pure Medical
828-544-1178

How does that satisfy the emergency oxygen requirements for pressurized aircraft? You do know you are posting in a turboprop/jet thread, right?