BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 13:51

Username Protected wrote:

You have thrown out the number "300" in some of your Cirrus will be a failure scenarios.

I will ask again, how many do they need to build to qualify as a success on the Mike C scale?

How many MU-2s were built? Was that a successful program?

i'm wondering why a big deal?

i'd call mu-2s spectacular & support even today is second to none, came & went in the new market nevertheless ..loooooong ago

some like, others don't, big deal :scratch:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 13:57

I love my 4 kids....a lot. They are all 10 and under. After watching that Cirrus video, I am trying to figure out which one I love the least and hoping the open market for a kid is around 2.8M.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:06

Damn that video is awesome. They sure know how to market their products. At 2.7m hard to see why someone would choose an M600 over an SF50.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:25

stuff that may or may not be relevant
[youtube]https://youtu.be/OgzqRjqzAkQ[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... s+Jet+SF50

edit - added link

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:30

Username Protected wrote:

Love the shot right at the end of GQ Mom & Dad upfront and the kids watching the video in the back. Just like going to see grandma in the Suburban, except you're going 300K and at 31k feet.

The Suburban doesn't take 4 weeks to learn how to drive.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:30

Mike C.

Here is one company already getting ready to sell seats on the SF50:
https://www.charterflightgroup.com/cirr ... t-charter/

The notice I saw was on COPA.

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:31

There's lots of comparisons with things like Eclipse and the Vision with regards to viability. One thing that is overlooked is the Cirrus is not just the Vision; it's also the SR22, SR22T, and SR20.

There is synergy there. Quite a lot, actually - both financially and physically.

It's been talked about the built in customer base - from the SR to the SF. Nobody has mentioned the panache it brings to the piston planes.

Owning a 9 year old SR, I look at the Vision and think... hmmm, I got some of that in my plane. Kinda looks similar when I squint my eyes.

Now of course I see the Yuge difference in planes, but still, there's a bit of extra coolness in my "old" SR, now.

Can they sell even more piston planes? Don't know, but the Vision certainly doesn't hurt their image any.

A few months ago, this was just a cool cockpit. Now? It looks kinda like a jet.

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:32

Username Protected wrote:

Here is one company already getting ready to sell seats on the SF50:
https://www.charterflightgroup.com/cirr ... t-charter/

Quote a flight, let us know what they will be charging.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:34

Username Protected wrote:

Owning a 9 year old SR, I look at the Vision and think... hmmm, I got some of that in my plane.

More precisely, there's a lot of SR in the SF, basically how to build a jet powered piston airplane.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:42

dude talks a bit funny

..but

[youtube]https://youtu.be/dUCFVXqondU[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:45

Username Protected wrote:

Damn that video is awesome. They sure know how to market their products. At 2.7m hard to see why someone would choose an M600 over an SF50.

I thought maybe there is a TCO argument to be made in favor of the turboprop, but looking up the TCO estimates from C&D,
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... ting-costs

the OPEX difference isn't large given the higher speed of the SF50.

I thought maybe the resale value might favor the Piper given that they don't bury old customers with obsolescence, but, looking at % off new price for five year old aircraft on the dealer Vref:

SR22T: (16%)
PA46: (34%)
P46T: (38%)

The active market in used cirrus obviously supports resale values better than the less dense Piper market.

That said, I'd choose the turboprop, but my use case involves some very short fields.
-de

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 14:45

Username Protected wrote:

Guys: technology making it easier for the average user has been improving things for a long time.

A type rating is mostly about handling things when the technology fails.

The SF50 emergency and abnormal checklists are miles longer than an SR.

Everybody thinking the SF50 is a push button teleporter needs to step away from the Kool Aid. You've been hypnotized by a video.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 15:01

sorta related ..

[youtube]https://youtu.be/SJWoKsfsSaA[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 15:49

Username Protected wrote:

The Suburban doesn't take 4 weeks to learn how to drive.

Mike C.

For some, it takes longer. My body shop has proof.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2019, 15:52

Username Protected wrote:

If Jason's right and the target demographic doesn't care about how high you can go, just where and how comfortably,

All I hear on the radio when I'm flying is "how are the rides today"? I feel it's an epidemic. I can't believe how much these commercial guys ask the same question over and over.

If the ride in the jet is so smooth, why they always asking where the smooth air is?

I've got 2000 hours in PC12 now. Never once asked how the rides are. I don't care. It's always pretty smooth to me.

Cirrus SF50