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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 12:50 |
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Guys: technology making it easier for the average user has been improving things for a long time. When I first started driving, one had to know a LOT about cars to keep them running. Now, we don't have carbs to flood and choke, transmission is one click, etc. Golf clubs have improved the average user's game. I really hated it when handball courts were taken over by those playing racquet ball, etc. etc. Then converted to a racquetball player  To make a jet that is much simpler to operate opens it up to many more folks. This is wonderful to see. I just wish they were delivering them faster.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 12:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: At this stage in the product cycle, Eclipse had a far larger backlog than Cirrus.
Without the Chinese purchase of Cirrus, they would be defunct. Eclipse failed at a time when the Chinese were not buying every aviation company they could. In fact, the Chinese are currently propping up Eclipse #2, One Aviation, during their bankruptcy, and seem poised to own that, too.
Mike C. Meaningless. Fake news
Jeff: So why aren't they bankrupt?
Jason: Yeah!
Mike: For all practical purposes, they already went bankrupt
Jason: So what?
I'm glad someone posted the G2 videos in this thread. Otherwise:
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 12:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Can't be, impossible, a guy on the internet who is an expert on everything said they would never approve that. He also said they would never get RVSM with a single engine. Who is that guy? Sounds like a loser. Quote: This must all be fake news. Or your post was. Before you claim things others have said, have the decency to look it up. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 12:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Meaningless. Fake news dunno about mfn but there are, have & could be many reason for aviation COs, coming, going, merging etc, so not a big deal to me
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 13:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: Guys: technology making it easier for the average user has been improving things for a long time. A type rating is mostly about handling things when the technology fails. The SF50 emergency and abnormal checklists are miles longer than an SR. Everybody thinking the SF50 is a push button teleporter needs to step away from the Kool Aid. You've been hypnotized by a video. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 13:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Snore.....
It would be fascinating to sit in a meeting at Textron at the executive level as they show Cirrus ads to a focus group versus Textron ads.
Tim Agreed.... That video is 100% awful.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 13:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: One other point. Cirrus just got approval with the G2 for 135 operations. That's more significant than anything else that has happened recently. Reference for your information? I suspect that was enabled by the main battery being changed to Lithium and being of higher capacity. The FAA FSB said the SF50 did not comply with 135.163(f) which deals with electrical power redundancy. As a single, the SF50 had to meet it with battery power alone, and the prior battery probably couldn't do that. Quote: That means, they have dramatically expanded the potential market. Especially when you consider all the short haul charter flights. Maybe. It certainly could help. In a charter operation, the cost of the airplane is less important than owner flown market simply due to all the other costs involved (crew, fuel, dispatch, regulations). I could see 135 outfits deciding an M2 or P100 is a better fit for the price, plus they will have a quieter cabin and better safety. Will 135 passengers accept a jet that needs headsets? 135 operators tend to do shorter flights, which fits the SF50 profile better due to limited altitude and range. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 13:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Quote: I don't think they are making money on the G1 position jets, though. That's pretty clear given the new prices. It is better for Cirrus to build 300 planes at a profit than 600 planes at a loss. Mike C. More unadulterated BS. You have no idea what G1 profitability is. Profitable companies raise prices when the market will bear a price increase.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 13:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: More unadulterated BS. you folks are funny with words 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 13:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: More unadulterated BS. You have no idea what G1 profitability is. The evidence is there. G2 increased prices for close to zero increase in manufacturing costs. The basic cost of the parts (like engines and avionics). The price history of these sorts of projects (like Eclipse). Nobody has proven Big Foot doesn't exist, but I think that's as likely as Cirrus being profitable with G1s. Quote: Profitable companies raise prices when the market will bear a price increase. Unprofitable companies raise prices to not go bankrupt. I don't see a long line of folks signing contracts for G1s, so will the market bear this increase ultimately? Can a crippled $3M jet actually sell? Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 13:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well that last video from Cirrus is one heck of a marketing tool  Love the shot right at the end of GQ Mom & Dad upfront and the kids watching the video in the back. Just like going to see grandma in the Suburban, except you're going 300K and at 31k feet.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 13:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: More unadulterated BS. You have no idea what G1 profitability is. The evidence is there. G2 increased prices for close to zero increase in manufacturing costs. The basic cost of the parts (like engines and avionics). The price history of these sorts of projects (like Eclipse). Nobody has proven Big Foot doesn't exist, but I think that's as likely as Cirrus being profitable with G1s. Quote: Profitable companies raise prices when the market will bear a price increase. Unprofitable companies raise prices to not go bankrupt. I don't see a long line of folks signing contracts for G1s, so will the market bear this increase ultimately? Can a crippled $3M jet actually sell? Mike C.
You have thrown out the number "300" in some of your Cirrus will be a failure scenarios.
I will ask again, how many do they need to build to qualify as a success on the Mike C scale?
How many MU-2s were built? Was that a successful program?
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