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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 02:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Standard contract with CPI and upgrade clause. A $1M price increase for the listed of minor changes is not an "upgrade", it is a repricing. Quote: Is there an aircraft manufacturer out there that is different? Nearly doubling the price on already signed contracts? Don't know any other manufacturer who has done that, so yes, other aircraft makers are different. Mike C.
Cessna with the Skycatcher. Worked out great. Also, come to think of it, Icon.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 10:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Phenom 100 = Entry level turbine Phenom 100 = Entry level JET. SF50= Entry level turbine. FIFY.. 
I guarantee we get there at the same time in a race. Jet, turbine, turboprop, tomato tomato. Is it not all about getting from Point A to Point B with as little hassle as possible?
I don't let PAX use the word "jet" around me.. It's "ducted turbofan" or "Non ducted turbofan".
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 10:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: So far on COPA, it has been well received. Even by existing position holders. Did they state the new terms for their position? That will come out soon enough. Getting a G1 at their contract price is highly unlikely now. Cirrus has found a way to offer, as the G2, stuff that was already promised (like AT), make a few minor tweaks of no cost otherwise, and charge more than a $1M more for it. As a plus, there will be a chorus singing their praises for being so innovative that the they held back these tweaks until now. Mike C.
With options and interest, the G1 was effectively around 1.8M. Basically no one is buying the basic plane as priced in the contract. The G2 effectively raises the price for early position holders to 2M via new options.
Note: This was from just one poster doing the math who expects delivery in late 2019. I do not have the contracts.
Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 11:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Some things never change: Mike offers a relentless negative spin and Cirrus keeps selling airplanes. Hallelujah! It's like they don't care.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 11:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Maybe the Ciholas TJ can keep the promise. I just gave you the tagline for your first ad campaign. You're welcome  Good start on marketing the Ciholas Twinjet, but I think we need to punch the marketing up just a bit more. Ciholas is kind of hard to pronounce, so I propose we change the name to the “Starcatcher Twinjet”. The advertising tagline should be “It’s not a Cirrus!”
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 11:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: I realize this is based on speculation, but if I had to pay $1M more to get the jet I already put a deposit on, I'd be pissed. Are all of you Mike haters saying you'd be just fine with that?
This sort of reminds me of that $35k Tesla I was promised I could buy. If you want the G2..... you gotta pay. Otherwise take the G1. This is why I'd never buy the 1st year anything. You gotta take emotion (pissed) out of the equation. Cirrus is selling SF50's whether you are pissed or not. The next step is more power and a "I'm landing unless you stop me" button.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 11:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: If you want the G2..... you gotta pay. Otherwise take the G1. That would be perfectly fine if that is an option, but I think it is not. It seems highly unlikely they are going to make the G1 and G2 at the same time.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 11:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: That would be perfectly fine if that is an option, but I think it is not. It seems highly unlikely they are going to make the G1 and G2 at the same time. I'm not seeing it that way. PC24 is going through the same thing. The first one's off the line are sucking but they're already upgrading and getting new certifications. I think folks that put contracts in 10 years ago were doing it based on how folks did it back the 1970's. Nowadays you can easily "de-bug" a new product by releasing it. The changes come fast now. It's truly pointless nowadays to be first in line for a new product. It's going to get instantly upgraded upon release.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 12:20 |
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Announcing the Ciholas Design Model 1986 "Double Entendre":
TWO of everything including a two seat lav so you can hold hands during turbulence
TWO fire breathing NOS Fouga Astafan engines sourced from the Ukraine for $50K each (Suck it SF50 and you Beechtalk Haters!)
TWO wing spar carry throughs capable of surviving a VNE dive into a class 5 thunderstorm (even if you can't)
TWO crack pilots (who still use rotary dial phones) to monitor the gauges and fly those NDB approaches by hand.
TWO materials make up the entire aircraft structure... steel and aluminum, none of this overpriced carbon fiber and thermoplastic.
TWO doors to leave the aircraft, but no provision for a parachute (sorry piston thinkers)
TWO placards denoting the model 1986 designation, named for the last year of MU-2 production and the zenith of aviation understanding.
Available for the pre-production price of (you guessed it).... TWO MILLION DOLLARS!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 12:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: Announcing the Ciholas Design Model 1986 "Double Entendre":
TWO of everything including a two seat lav so you can hold hands during turbulence
TWO fire breathing NOS Fouga Astafan engines sourced from the Ukraine for $50K each (Suck it SF50 and you Beechtalk Haters!)
TWO wing spar carry throughs capable of surviving a VNE dive into a class 5 thunderstorm (even if you can't)
TWO crack pilots (who still use rotary dial phones) to monitor the gauges and fly those NDB approaches by hand.
TWO materials make up the entire aircraft structure... steel and aluminum, none of this overpriced carbon fiber and thermoplastic.
TWO doors to leave the aircraft, but no provision for a parachute (sorry piston thinkers)
TWO placards denoting the model 1986 designation, named for the last year of MU-2 production and the zenith of aviation understanding.
Available for the pre-production price of (you guessed it).... TWO MILLION DOLLARS! Simplicity! Why re-invent the wheel?
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