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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 12:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: It seems interesting to me that pretty much all the aircraft manufactures have chosen the same priority;.
Tim Have they? How do you know?
dude knows some french ..just sayin
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 12:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: If I were a long term Chinese investor, not overly restricted by US ROI constraints, and looking to one day command market share in jets, I might take to the idea of financing a gateway product that builds a loyal, addicted customer base that will buy my future "real" jet. Too bad this doesn't fit the Cirrus situation. It might fit their situation now. The religious single engine zealots are going away. With Alan already gone, Brent out, Dale going away soon, basically none of upper management that started the SF50 is there any more. Cirrus has new owners, very practical owners. The Chinese do what works. Cirrus can be a major player in light jets and I am sure that is part of the calculus here. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there's a twin on the drawing board as we speak. It would be almost negligent for them not to be looking at that. One can only hope. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 12:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: If I were a long term Chinese investor, not overly restricted by US ROI constraints, and looking to one day command market share in jets, I might take to the idea of financing a gateway product that builds a loyal, addicted customer base that will buy my future "real" jet. Too bad this doesn't fit the Cirrus situation. It might fit their situation now. The religious single engine zealots are going away. With Alan already gone, Brent out, Dale going away soon, basically none of upper management that started the SF50 is there any more. Cirrus has new owners, very practical owners. The Chinese do what works. Cirrus can be a major player in light jets and I am sure that is part of the calculus here. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there's a twin on the drawing board as we speak. It would be almost negligent for them not to be looking at that. One can only hope. Mike C.
or just sit back, enjoy the show & see what happens next
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 12:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: Toyota for decades maximized market share, as long as a product was priced above cost, management did not adjust price. As you know, a company has many choices when pricing a product.
It seems interesting to me that pretty much all the aircraft manufactures have chosen the same priority; in most industries you get some variations between companies.
Tim in the biker world, there are harleys, britt bikes etc & jap bikes, jap is not considered a slurr there at all.. ton of jap parts in harleys as bros' know.. they certainly know about putting out quality, high performance & options.. aviation? US rules ..lotsa outsourcing tho..
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 13:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: It seems interesting to me that pretty much all the aircraft manufactures have chosen the same priority;.
Tim Have they? How do you know?
Guess on my part. Cessna dropped the price of the M2 by a million, gives a pretty good implication they are not too concerned about costs affecting the price 
As Pilatus has raised the price on the PC-12, TBM has gone up... basically the relative difference between the turbine powered aircraft has remained fairly static for years. All the companies have good size back orders which would have allowed them to increase production and maximize short term revenue, or raise the price and shorten the back order length...
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 14:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ya think? Wow, you engineer types are genius.... ha.
don't ask for numbers 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 14:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think the SF50 is for people who want to buy a Cirrus anything and will wait until whatever it is can be delivered.
Mike C. The SF50 is for the folks flying commercial right now.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 14:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cirrus has let slip, SF50 G2 will be announced soon. Why? You already have 400+ committed customers to deliver planes to that the current version meets contract. Any new sales won't deliver for years. You piss off those who just got their planes that they are now obsolete. Buyers of new Cirrus tend to be the types that want the latest and greatest stuff. Seems like a weird move that the market isn't forcing and it comes with downsides. Only thing I can think of is that the secondary market is already stealing new sales (or Cirrus perceives it is), so Cirrus wants to devalue the planes already shipped to encourage new purchase contracts. Are we already headed to the Eclipse disaster where there were so many variations shipped to customers? And that was after Eclipse claimed homogeneity of the fleet would be maintained, and the plane would be "future proof". Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 14:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: The SF50 is for the folks flying commercial right now. The SR series is a fine traveling airplane with similar range as the SF50. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 15:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: The SF50 is for the folks flying commercial right now. The SR series is a fine traveling airplane with similar range as the SF50. Mike C.
Hahaha. That's "old pilot think". You're not going to get the "commercial traveller" with an SR.
I have loads of buddies that charter that are not pilots. Most will not get on a Cirrus but even the ones that do pay $6K round trip for 250NM. They'll gladly pay $12K round trip to be on something the same size but faster.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 15:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cirrus has let slip, SF50 G2 will be announced soon. Why? You already have 400+ committed customers to deliver planes to that the current version meets contract. Any new sales won't deliver for years. You piss off those who just got their planes that they are now obsolete. Buyers of new Cirrus tend to be the types that want the latest and greatest stuff. Seems like a weird move that the market isn't forcing and it comes with downsides. Only thing I can think of is that the secondary market is already stealing new sales (or Cirrus perceives it is), so Cirrus wants to devalue the planes already shipped to encourage new purchase contracts. Are we already headed to the Eclipse disaster where there were so many variations shipped to customers? And that was after Eclipse claimed homogeneity of the fleet would be maintained, and the plane would be "future proof". Mike C.
My guess, the G2 will be a way to raise the price by adding something new which many position holders will want. In the meantime, you can still order the G1....
Further, Cirrus has a reputation of updates on a regular basis. Model year differences eventually add up to a new generation. I know the SF50 had a wing change at the end of 2018, and has had a few other changes. So maybe there are enough changes, that they felt a new model designation was required or beneficial.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 15:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: You're not going to get the "commercial traveller" with an SR. This forum is full of counter examples of people using SR to perform business travel. Quote: I have loads of buddies that charter that are not pilots. Perfect. They can go crash SF50s now. This isn't a robot flying taxi. It is a jet and it takes a pilot, not a passenger, to fly it. Disgruntled airline customers are a large market, but not the SF50s market. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 08 Jan 2019, 15:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: You're not going to get the "commercial traveller" with an SR. This forum is full of counter examples of people using SR to perform business travel. Quote: I have loads of buddies that charter that are not pilots. Perfect. They can go crash SF50s now. This isn't a robot flying taxi. It is a jet and it takes a pilot, not a passenger, to fly it. Disgruntled airline customers are a large market, but not the SF50s market. Mike C.
There is already a charter outfit at Peachtree with a bunch of SF's and SR's flying customers. They're 100% Cirrus. No intention of adding larger planes.
I used to use my SR for business travel..... I'm a pilot.
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