BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 17:55

Good golly. Somebody is being swayed on the internet. It's almost worth reading all this.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 17:57

Username Protected wrote:

I'm getting there........But I'm not ready to drink the Cirrus truth serum just yet.......I might need to have a Phenom 300 first.

me too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 17:58

You have to read between the lines a little bit with average flight time in a jet. Every jet does a bunch of short hops for a few reasons. One, short flights to and from maintenance (many are like 10 minutes short). Two, repositioning flights to pick up passengers (this is very common with the bigger iron). Three, some jets are damn fast and just get where they're going sooner.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 18:03

Username Protected wrote:

You have to read between the lines a little bit with average flight time in a jet. Every jet does a bunch of short hops for a few reasons. One, short flights to and from maintenance (many are like 10 minutes short). Two, repositioning flights to pick up passengers (this is very common with the bigger iron). Three, some jets are damn fast and just get where they're going sooner.

True, but I fly between Dallas and Houston a lot and in the Baron it was about an hour. In the MU2 its about an hour. I suspect in the SF50 it's about an hour.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 18:16

Username Protected wrote:

True, but I fly between Dallas and Houston a lot and in the Baron it was about an hour. In the MU2 its about an hour. I suspect in the SF50 it's about an hour.

Exactly. And perhaps a bit quicker in a higher performance jet, but not a lot quicker. Short hops limit speed capability.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 18:32

James: that’s what we found Dallas to Austin and back. Almost no advantage in a jet v. Barron or King Air. Maybe ten minutes if any and substantial difference in fuel burn.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 19:56

Here's a used one for 2.3m. http://www.lonemountainaircraft.com/product/n234hs/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 20:12

Username Protected wrote:

Not only that but who wants to screw with ATC all the way up to the upper flight levels then decents on a one hour flight? Too much work. SF50 is appealing for easy point A to point B.

Yes, I would imagine ATC 30 years ago was a lot easier to deal with. Fewer planes. More direct climbs and direct descents etc.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 20:13

Username Protected wrote:

Good golly. Somebody is being swayed on the internet. It's almost worth reading all this.

+1. After 500 pages one persons mind was changed. It's very validating.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 20:18

Username Protected wrote:

Here's a used one for 2.3m. http://www.lonemountainaircraft.com/product/n234hs/

Already 600 hours on it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 21:26

Username Protected wrote:

You have to read between the lines a little bit with average flight time in a jet. Every jet does a bunch of short hops for a few reasons. One, short flights to and from maintenance (many are like 10 minutes short). Two, repositioning flights to pick up passengers (this is very common with the bigger iron). Three, some jets are damn fast and just get where they're going sooner.

It must have been around page 100 in this thread where I posted a list of jet flights out of my then home airport KHEF (Manassas, VA). Even if you removed the obvious charter repositioning flights from places in the DC metro, there was a large percentage of 1 hr hops to Teterboro or Charlotte, NC. This was of course 'explained away' with the universal excuse that 'all the longer flights are not on the tracking sites because they are super secret squirrel sales missions with triple blocked flight numbers....
Time to take another look now that ADSB has blocking made sort of moot.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 21:49

That’s why the Citation didn’t work for me. It stood out going, high and far with lots of full seats. I was only doing long trips once a month and many of those didn’t have full seats. It would get to the coast or Wisconsin an hour ahead of my King Air using 100 gallons more fuel. The rest of the trips, the King Air made more sense. On short hops that were incidental on trips, the jet burned a LOT of fuel and didn’t get us there much faster.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 22:01

Username Protected wrote:

It must have been around page 100 in this thread where I posted a list of jet flights out of my then home airport KHEF (Manassas, VA). Even if you removed the obvious charter repositioning flights from places in the DC metro, there was a large percentage of 1 hr hops to Teterboro or Charlotte, NC. This was of course 'explained away' with the universal excuse that 'all the longer flights are not on the tracking sites because they are super secret squirrel sales missions with triple blocked flight numbers....
Time to take another look now that ADSB has blocking made sort of moot.

You see a bunch of short flights in the east. It's the nature of the land there. It changes as you travel west.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 22:02

Username Protected wrote:

That’s why the Citation didn’t work for me. It stood out going, high and far with lots of full seats. I was only doing long trips once a month and many of those didn’t have full seats. It would get to the coast or Wisconsin an hour ahead of my King Air using 100 gallons more fuel. The rest of the trips, the King Air made more sense. On short hops that were incidental on trips, the jet burned a LOT of fuel and didn’t get us there much faster.

Understandable. The best plane is always the one that best fits the mission.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Dec 2018, 22:09

Username Protected wrote:

I pity any newcomer that starts at page 1

LOL me last year hahaha

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