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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 12:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: It does due to the Cirrus process. Skill assessment. Avionics training. Ground school. Sim training. Flight training. Check ride evaluation. Sign off. Oral test. Check ride. Cirrus adds steps around it beyond the typical type rating course. I doubt it can be done much less than 4 weeks for an SR pilot. Lots of things to learn that the SR doesn't have such a retractable gear, anti ice, pressurization, turbine starting, yaw damper, and so on. Jay talks about his training in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgM_MeJKahgMike C. Yes. Cirrus takes a guy that has never flown anything other than a fixed gear plane and, in 4 weeks, he has completed a type rating PLUS 25 hours with a mentor pilot. At this point he has satisfied the insurance requirements and is good to go. Are you trying to tell me than this can be done quicker in a Citation, Honda Jet, or anything else?? Come on dude, we know you hate this jet, but no one else has come up with a training program that works this way! No way is a fixed gear pilot going to transition into a normal jet in 4 weeks and be signed off by his insurance company.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 18:32 |
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he can't, because jason made a wager on sales and Mike is only arguing as an engineer.
regarding the SF50, i think most of would agree that:
1. it's ugly
2. it's a sub-par performer compared to other jets
3. it will sell like hotcakes and create a new market niche just like cirrus re-invented the piston SEL market
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 18:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: he can't, because jason made a wager on sales and Mike is only arguing as an engineer. Doesn’t matter. Don’t just run and hide.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 18:50 |
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Quote: regarding the SF50, i think most of would agree that:
1. it's ugly
2. it's a sub-par performer compared to other jets
3. it will sell like hotcakes and create a new market niche just like cirrus re-invented the piston SEL market Just watched a Youtube vid of SF50 departing Aspen. I want one! Well I want a Cessna Mustang more but..... Brenda
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 18:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Quote: regarding the SF50, i think most of would agree that:
1. it's ugly
2. it's a sub-par performer compared to other jets
3. it will sell like hotcakes and create a new market niche just like cirrus re-invented the piston SEL market Just watched a Youtube vid of SF50 departing Aspen. I want one! Well I want a Cessna Mustang more but..... Brenda Well Mustangs are available and probably less expensive. Just don’t take mine!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 19:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: he can't, because jason made a wager on sales and Mike is only arguing as an engineer.
regarding the SF50, i think most of would agree that:
1. it's ugly
2. it's a sub-par performer compared to other jets that cost twice as much
3. it will sell like hotcakes and create a new market niche just like cirrus re-invented the piston SEL market FIFY Why does everyone keep missing that part of the argument?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 19:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jason, I’m taking it one day at the time now. The Cirrus person on the ramp on Saturday with the Vision invited me to sit in it while he was cleaning the wings. I quickly said the serenity prayer and stepped away from the Vision. Then I told Red Bo I was sorry and that the flesh is weak. Great flight home!  I looked at one the other day too. I loved it. SF50 is all about the cockpit where as every other plane ever made is all about the cabin. It's easy to love.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 19:43 |
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Here's the one for you, Luc. Attachment: SF50.jpg
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 20:21 |
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If this plane could only fly from South Florida to New England would be perfect.... I want one.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 20:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: he can't, because jason made a wager on sales and Mike is only arguing as an engineer.
regarding the SF50, i think most of would agree that:
1. it's ugly
2. it's a sub-par performer compared to other jets that cost twice as much
3. it will sell like hotcakes and create a new market niche just like cirrus re-invented the piston SEL market FIFY Why does everyone keep missing that part of the argument?
if you would read between the very wide lines in my post, you'll see that it already says that. It should be self-evident.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 20:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: if you would read between the very wide lines in my post, you'll see that it already says that. It should be self-evident. I don't see it. Regardless.... I don't think 300 knots at 65 GPH is "sub par". I think it's great.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 20:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: if you would read between the very wide lines in my post, you'll see that it already says that. It should be self-evident. I don't see it. Regardless.... I don't think 300 knots at 65 GPH is "sub par". I think it's great.
like i said, it's a new niche. It doesn't have to be rationalized as competing with this or that. it will create it's own market just like the SR20/22 did.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 20:59 |
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Alright, Cirrus Vision, you are really cool but  you're so damned ugly.
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