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 Post subject: Re: Aerostars
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This is the moment when it all starts. On my left is Jim Christy, Vice President of Aerostar Aircraft Company. I am handing him my wallet with nearly every penny I have, in exchange for the airplane in the background!
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Oh now that's funny and true. Christy is a good guy and there's nothing he doesn't know about Aerostars.


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 Post subject: Re: Aerostars
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I bet I could fly circles around a TBM after we both shut down an engine.

Which you are far more likely to experience unexpectedly.

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Two, I can't buy a MU2 equipped like my plane

You probably can't buy an Aerostar equipped like your plane.

That's why they invented avionics shops.

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If I had a MU2, I'd neeed a reason to go somewhere to justify cranking it up and going.

I worried about that sort of mental barrier, too. Turns out, not a big deal to just take the MU2 up for a spin.

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Four, no one talks about TBM performance at low altitudes.....

Because they are never there, no reason to fly among the weather and spam cans.

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folks who used to own MU2s or KAs or Navajos, don't have the same commitment. Those planes are just stuff, an Aerostar isn't just stuff.

Apparently, you haven't read the MU2 posts on this forum. MU2 owners generally do not feel their plane is just "stuff", and I bet the owner flown King Airs are loved as well. You might be right about Navajos...

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Mike,

I've flown a MU2, a KA variant (1900 B&C) and both a 310 Navajo and a Chieftain.

Of the bunch, the MU2 was the least fun to fly.

That doesn't mean it's a bad airplane, or that I wouldn't own one, (if I had a need for its capabilities), but I can not imagine going flying in one for the joy of flying.
That's just my opinion, you and others may feel differently.
My point was (is), there are a fair number of former Aerostar owners who contribute on the Aerostar string (Tim, Adam, Craig are good examples of former-owners who still care enough about the type to maintain a connection) the only other type that has that kind of support is the Beech 18.....


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I've flown a MU2, a KA variant (1900 B&C) and both a 310 Navajo and a Chieftain.

Of the bunch, the MU2 was the least fun to fly.

Because the flight was done so quickly?

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No governor problems in this quarter- I just passed my second year of ownership with my MU2 this past November and here's what I've had to do in two years and 700 hours:

- goofy ass slip ring on the right side delaminated and needed to be replaced for the prop heat to work. Part showed up next day, took about 45 minutes to install (thanks Sensenich!), off I went. $3500

- a part in the landing gear snapped on a perfectly normal landing; part showed up next day, took two hours to install. $5000

- fuel pump. Part showed up next day, three hours install. $2500

- various brushes for starter generators, grease for jack screws, miscellaneous at inspections. Inspections run ~$12.5k all in.

I loved my A*. It's a wonderful airplane. But the Mits is a far more capable machine. Also worth note- my A* was constantly having some issue or another, and I didn't skimp on MX or defer MX at all- ever. It just has a lot of moving parts. It's true the Mits has more expensive parts, but you a) generally replace them proactively during inspections, and b) the systems are just more robust on turbine aircraft propulsion systems. I use my bird to work. It's not like the A* was always busted, but it didn't have near the dispatch reliability that the MU2 has.

I feel like the airframe of the A* is built well, I think it's just the propulsion that causes it to be a bit of a pain. Of course, my Mits with fresh P and I, upgrade panel, and fresh engines is a $700k machine and you can get in a similarly top notch A* for half that, so there's no free lunch.

Also, Forrest is quite right. The Mits flys like a dump truck, lol. But it's rock solid in turbulence and I wouldn't trade mine for anything. One last thing- turbine propulsion reliability and copious compressed air mean much more reliable ice protection. Couple that to a far more aggressive climb rate and you're launching with confidence into a lot more ice. Also, being at FL280 often has meant for me looking out the window and seeing clear blue around and the storm below, especially if I use my head and launch in the AM.



Mike,

Craig has a lot more MU2 experience than me.

"Dump truck"

I get it, you love your MU2, I'm happy for you.

It meets your needs, and that what counts.

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I worried about that sort of mental barrier, too. Turns out, not a big deal to just take the MU2 up for a spin.


A SPIN!!!! in an MU2. I'd pay to see that :D

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All in fun here but if you had been at Max's year before last Mike came down in the MU 2. Too short a trip some might say. Then gave a demonstration to the crowd what it could do. Just flying for fun... So it's all relative.

From this qtr there is no argument that the A* is a great plane, or that the MU 2 is too. OK OK and the V tails, A36's, Mooney's, Cessna's and on and on.....

Now give me a CJ4 and Aubie in right seat to tell me "More SMASH Boss" and I will be at the pinnacle of flying single pilot. But, a big but, since as JGG says their is a limit to the "Toy" budget and unless my wife wins the Powerball the CJ 4 will wait for her donation. Incidentally she said it was first on her list if it could haul all of us to our favorite destinations quickly. I'm here to say it CAN..... :coffee:

I'm back to work now. Make more money to pay for my vices.

:btt: A*'s

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For the folks looking for a 601P:

1978 601P, N472BH
61P-0504-208, 3450 TT, NDH, low time OH,
intercoolers, engine driven A/C, deice, Century IV AP,
ADS-B "In & Out", XM weather, 406 MHz ELT, Aspen PFD, GTN-750,
Alpha Systems AoA,
Paint 5.5, Interior 4.5

Aircraft is currently at AAC undergoing Annual Inspection.

John Rubi

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This would be a good time to get a set of winglets, the 5.5 psi upgrade and the bleed heat done. Jim (@AAC) could set you up with paint and a new interior as well.

https://www.aspenavionics.com/customer- ... ails/10261

Panel looks pretty good.

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A SPIN!!!! in an MU2. I'd pay to see that :D


One of my previous coworkers tried that... he paid dearly...

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A SPIN!!!! in an MU2. I'd pay to see that :D


One of my previous coworkers tried that... he paid dearly...

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We have seen BTers who used to own Aerostars struggle with the decision to sell, and they still show up to throw in their $.02, folks who used to own MU2s or KAs or Navajos, don't have the same commitment. Those planes are just stuff, an Aerostar isn't just stuff.

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I hate to say it, but I'm with Forrest on this one. I loved my A*- wrenched on it, tweaked timing, dreamed about flying it, absolutely loved the thing. The MU2 is absolutely incredible and outperforms the A* in every way, and I've owned and flown both extensively; the MU2 is cheaper to run, or at least has been for me. Still, I hated giving it up, it was about as much fun as putting down a dog. The MU2, well, when there's something that makes more sense I'll just move on.

MU2 is a serious all WX travel machine. The A* is a lifestyle.


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I hate to say it, but I'm with Forrest on this one. I loved my A*- wrenched on it, tweaked timing, dreamed about flying it, absolutely loved the thing. The MU2 is absolutely incredible and outperforms the A* in every way, and I've owned and flown both extensively; the MU2 is cheaper to run, or at least has been for me. Still, I hated giving it up, it was about as much fun as putting down a dog. The MU2, well, when there's something that makes more sense I'll just move on.

MU2 is a serious all WX travel machine. The A* is a lifestyle.


I did the same with my 601P. My mechanic hated the 'thing' as he called it, so I got to do most of the wrenching. Learned every inch of it and the maintenance manuals too. I think that relationship made it even more enjoyable to fly.


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A SPIN!!!! in an MU2. I'd pay to see that :D

Hmm, where is that Simcom video from a few years ago...

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Would any of you A* guys operate out of a 3400' paved runway? No obstructions. About a 600' grass overrun on one end, same on the other but with a deep ditch about 50' from the end of the pavement.

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Would any of you A* guys operate out of a 3400' paved runway? No obstructions. About a 600' grass overrun on one end, same on the other but with a deep ditch about 50' from the end of the pavement.


No.


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