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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 12:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Does anyone have a Pirep for Jetaviva?
Stellar group. Had some inside contacts with the group, and have sniffed a jet or two through them. If I ever get a jet, would be on my short list. Although having Chip onboard might be a nice add.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 20:47 |
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Interesting observation. Care to elaborate? Nxi will accept a Bluetooth link, which I appreciate. Radar upgrades are also available. New hardware, it’s fast and in widespread use so I expect to see strong support.
I take it the newer 3000's accept bluetooth?[/quote]
It varies by market but there are years of G3000’s that are not currently being upgraded, have no Bluetooth datalink, and I haven’t heard any word from Garmin that they will but I sure hope they do.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 21:48 |
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Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that if you go to SimCom, you may be able to get fewer mentor hours required. https://www.simulator.com/wp-content/up ... ev-005.pdfWondering if that's really significant, and if Simcom is serious about a multi-engine rating prior to enrolling in the 510 type rating class? I could knock out the ME fairly quickly if necessary but I'd rather get it in the Mustang.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 22:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: I take it the newer 3000's accept bluetooth? [/quote] I don’t think it’s a limitation of the G3000. Probably the OEM. I think the G3000 was first certified in the very light turbine market in the M600, prior some heavier aircraft like the P300, and we had Bluetooth. Unless you’re talking about some other functionality. Was initially through the flight stream 510, now Garmin has its own box with cellular, wifi and bluetooth integrated for remote monitoring, database updates and connectivity in the cockpit. The GDL60.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 23:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: I take it the newer 3000's accept bluetooth?
I don’t think it’s a limitation of the G3000. Probably the OEM. I think the G3000 was first certified in the very light turbine market in the M600, prior some heavier aircraft like the P300, and we had Bluetooth. Unless you’re talking about some other functionality. Was initially through the flight stream 510, now Garmin has its own box with cellular, wifi and bluetooth integrated for remote monitoring, database updates and connectivity in the cockpit. The GDL60.[/quote]
Yes, the G3000 options are dependent on the OEM. My understanding is there is substantially different hardware between early and later G3000 so your mileage may vary. My focus is the Phenom 300.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 28 Apr 2025, 06:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that if you go to SimCom, you may be able to get fewer mentor hours required. https://www.simulator.com/wp-content/up ... ev-005.pdfWondering if that's really significant, and if Simcom is serious about a multi-engine rating prior to enrolling in the 510 type rating class? I could knock out the ME fairly quickly if necessary but I'd rather get it in the Mustang. From my recent experience with 2 mustang acquisitions, our clients had vastly different insurance requirements based on their previous experience and liability limits requested. Typically insurance will like to see a simulator events as a blanket statement, however there is room to negotiate. For one of our clients FSI or SIMCOM was required, no ifs/ands/buts, he was a 3000hr pilot with plenty of turboprop time, however he was only required to have 30 mentor hours. Our other client has 800 hours, next to no multi. He was allowed to do it in aircraft but is "dual only" for 1 year, which doesn't bother him.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 28 Apr 2025, 08:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Great thread! I had previously convinced myself that a TBM was my next plane. Now, I’m seriously considering the Mustang. I’m 1200hr SEP, IR and a G1000Nxi junkie. I bought my G36 specifically for the transition to the next plane, which I assumed would be a SETP. My regular mission is 550nM (Vegas-Den, or Den-MSP area. Looking at controller there are some reasonable US based options. https://www.controller.com/listings/sea ... ountry=178Does anyone have a Pirep for Jetaviva? From what I've gathered, while they have some very low time planes for sale, they are very proud of the pricing. Orders of magnitude higher than what's currently on the market.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 28 Apr 2025, 10:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: From what I've gathered, while they have some very low time planes for sale, they are very proud of the pricing. Orders of magnitude higher than what's currently on the market. So a Mustang for $12 mil or more?
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 28 Apr 2025, 10:31 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 7788 Post Likes: +10181 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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Username Protected wrote: Great thread! I had previously convinced myself that a TBM was my next plane. Now, I’m seriously considering the Mustang. I’m 1200hr SEP, IR and a G1000Nxi junkie. I bought my G36 specifically for the transition to the next plane, which I assumed would be a SETP. My regular mission is 550nM (Vegas-Den, or Den-MSP area. Looking at controller there are some reasonable US based options. https://www.controller.com/listings/sea ... ountry=178Does anyone have a Pirep for Jetaviva? From what I've gathered, while they have some very low time planes for sale, they are very proud of the pricing. Orders of magnitude higher than what's currently on the market.
I do think it is fair to say that they were developing that reputation, but I believe they realized it was becoming an issue. I had one client call it the "Jet Aviva Tax" and his assertion was that every airplane they had listed was $100k overpriced.
While their job is to get top dollar for their client (the seller) it can become a problem if people assume everything you try to sell is overpriced. A couple of years ago they seem to have shifted to being more data driven and while it is ultimately the aircraft owner's decision, we have seen their asking prices come into line with the market.
We are officially out of the "if you don't pay the price, someone else will" era, and negotiations have returned to normal. In fact it is about as balanced between buyer and seller as I have seen in some time.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 28 Apr 2025, 12:11 |
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Does anyone have a Pirep for Jetaviva?[/quote]
Suggest Denise Wilson; she was either a founder at JetAvia or just worked there. You can find her on FB Citation Owners, Pilots, and Operators. She wrote a little book on purchasing a jet.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 28 Apr 2025, 18:00 |
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From what I've gathered, while they have some very low time planes for sale, they are very proud of the pricing. Orders of magnitude higher than what's currently on the market.[/quote]
I do think it is fair to say that they were developing that reputation, but I believe they realized it was becoming an issue. I had one client call it the "Jet Aviva Tax" and his assertion was that every airplane they had listed was $100k overpriced.
While their job is to get top dollar for their client (the seller) it can become a problem if people assume everything you try to sell is overpriced. A couple of years ago they seem to have shifted to being more data driven and while it is ultimately the aircraft owner's decision, we have seen their asking prices come into line with the market.
We are officially out of the "if you don't pay the price, someone else will" era, and negotiations have returned to normal. In fact it is about as balanced between buyer and seller as I have seen in some time.[/quote]
Interesting to hear. Where do you think the Mustang market will be at this year from a price perspective?
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 28 Apr 2025, 19:24 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 7788 Post Likes: +10181 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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Username Protected wrote: Interesting to hear. Where do you think the Mustang market will be at this year from a price perspective? The Mustang market has been pretty stable but has dropped slightly since this time last year. I would expect to pay $50k - $100k less on the average Mustang vs what they were selling for 12 months ago. This is primarily because of seller confidence as we haven't seen a substantial increase in (nice) Mustang inventory.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 29 Apr 2025, 11:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Interesting to hear. Where do you think the Mustang market will be at this year from a price perspective? The Mustang market has been pretty stable but has dropped slightly since this time last year. I would expect to pay $50k - $100k less on the average Mustang vs what they were selling for 12 months ago. This is primarily because of seller confidence as we haven't seen a substantial increase in (nice) Mustang inventory.
Thanks Chip. I have seen some decent looking earlier serial # mustangs on the market with fresh HSI, mid time engines. BUT, they aren't on programs.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 29 Apr 2025, 11:34 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 7788 Post Likes: +10181 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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Username Protected wrote: The Mustang market has been pretty stable but has dropped slightly since this time last year. I would expect to pay $50k - $100k less on the average Mustang vs what they were selling for 12 months ago. This is primarily because of seller confidence as we haven't seen a substantial increase in (nice) Mustang inventory. Thanks Chip. I have seen some decent looking earlier serial # mustangs on the market with fresh HSI, mid time engines. BUT, they aren't on programs.
With the 615 being tied to Pratt, I wouldn't recommend one that is not on program.
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