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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:13 |
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Allen, Thank you for demonstrating three more pages of stuff you do not need to learn with a SEJ.  Tim
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:19 |
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From AIN.
Cirrus SF50 Jet Certification Moves to the Right
Duluth, Minn.-based Cirrus Aircraft hoped to have FAA approval for SF50 Vision single-engine personal jet in hand late last year, but now it looks like it will gain certification this spring, the company told AIN late last week. This delay is partially due to testing of its emergency recovery parachute during the fourth quarter, a process that took longer than expected.
Cirrus currently holds 600 deposits for the $1.96 million aircraft, which will be manufactured in Duluth but completed and delivered to customers at Cirrus's new “Vision Center” in Knoxville, Tenn. This new facility eventually will include a design center where buyers can customize their SF50s and receive type-rating training in a level-D full-motion simulator built by CAE.
The company announced the jet program in 2006 and flew a non-conforming prototype in 2008. However, the program stalled under the weight of the global recession and did not resume in a serious manner until Cirrus was purchased by the China Aviation Industry General Aircraft Co. (CAIGA) in 2012. The SF50 features an 1,800-pound-thrust Williams FJ33-5A turbofan and the Cirrus Perspective Touch by Garmin that is based on the Garmin G3000 avionics suite.
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:34 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 20745 Post Likes: +26209 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: Thank you for demonstrating three more pages of stuff you do not need to learn with a SEJ. :) I believe the legacy Citations don't have this, nor the Eclipse, so it isn't a twin versus single thing. On a 6000 lbs airplane, it will almost certainly not be present, so this isn't actually a benefit of SEJ, it is a benefit of being a light jet. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Thank you for demonstrating three more pages of stuff you do not need to learn with a SEJ.  I believe the legacy Citations don't have this, nor the Eclipse, so it isn't a twin versus single thing. On a 6000 lbs airplane, it will almost certainly not be present, so this isn't actually a benefit of SEJ, it is a benefit of being a light jet. Mike C.
Neither do Mustangs or CJ's at 10,500 lbs.
You gotta be a better ME pilot to fly the VLJ's and know which pedal to step on without the crutch of rudder bias assistance.
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: Thank you for demonstrating three more pages of stuff you do not need to learn with a SEJ.  I believe the legacy Citations don't have this, nor the Eclipse, so it isn't a twin versus single thing. On a 6000 lbs airplane, it will almost certainly not be present, so this isn't actually a benefit of SEJ, it is a benefit of being a light jet. Mike C.
Mike,
Where is the dam raspberry emoji? No matter the counter point, you want poo poo it and not acknowledge it. Even when it is kinda funny and de minimis point.
Tim
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Allen, Thank you for demonstrating three more pages of stuff you do not need to learn with a SEJ.  Tim Let's see how many pages the chute operations and limitations take. I don't have that cluttering up my manuals. 
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:57 |
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Plus you have a man's airplane and don't need a parachute because you aren't rolling in a sissy jet.
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 17:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: Plus you have a man's airplane and don't need a parachute because you aren't rolling in a sissy jet. 
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 17:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Let's see how many pages the chute operations and limitations take. I don't have that cluttering up my manuals.  In the SR22, the limitations is a single bullet item. Max speed demonstrated. In the preflight, one page which is really just a big picture of the handle cover you are supposed to remove. In the emergency section itself, one page of suggestions when to deploy. Then page and half of directions (most of which are kinda stupid -- e.g. two lines of text to describe pulling the fuel mixture to cut off). (Allen you are a spoil sport!) Tim
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 17:07 |
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Craig, That is just wrong. We should not be insulting anyone's planes. Especially considering what any of them cost to run! We should just be jealous that Allen is so fortunate and try to convince him to adopt some of us.  Tim
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 17:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: Let's see how many pages the chute operations and limitations take. I don't have that cluttering up my manuals.  In the SR22, the limitations is a single bullet item. Max speed demonstrated. In the preflight, one page which is really just a big picture of the handle cover you are supposed to remove. In the emergency section itself, one page of suggestions when to deploy. Then page and half of directions (most of which are kinda stupid -- e.g. two lines of text to describe pulling the fuel mixture to cut off). (Allen you are a spoil sport!) Tim
You forgot about all the pages of procedures for reusing the aircraft after chute deployment.
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 17:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: We should just be jealous that Allen is so fortunate and try to convince him to adopt some of us.  Craig has already been adopted, given the ride, and converted.
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 17:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: You forgot about all the pages of procedures for reusing the aircraft after chute deployment.  Nah, that goes in the MX manual. Not something I read  Tim
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 17:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: We should just be jealous that Allen is so fortunate and try to convince him to adopt some of us.  Craig has already been adopted, given the ride, and converted.
ugh. I know I saw the thread and have been following it.
Tim
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Post subject: Re: Single engine pressurized above FL 250 Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 18:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Those drugs don't seem very effective. Your pusher is watering them down.
Mike C. Oh no, the drugs are still strong. It's powerful stuff, thousands of pilots drunk that Cirrus Kool Aid and are now hopelessly hooked on them. Say what you will, but these Cirrus drug pushers really know their market. 
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