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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 05 Apr 2018, 22:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Looks like an over pressurized Foland Nat
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 05 Apr 2018, 22:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: https://www.flyingmag.com/cirrus-vision-jet-wins-collier-trophy Guess they didn't learn much from the previous light jet winner, Eclipse. I just don't think the SF50 is in the same category as the JPL Dawn Mission, or the Mars Curiosity Rover, or any of the other winners, except Eclipse. One would imagine Falcon Heavy would be a proper contender for 2018. That's what I think of as advancing aerospace, not a slow, low, tadpole of a jet. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 08:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: That's what I think of as advancing aerospace, not a slow, low, tadpole of a jet.
Mike C. The SF50 does not "advance" jets in the top end performance. It advances the use of turbine technology at the bottom end. From what I have read, I am pretty sure the SF50 has the lowest stall speed of any turbine, costs half or less of the next cheapest turbine, it also disrupts the SETP market. When you look at the history of the trophy, it is not always about technology, often it is about disrupting the market. And the SF50 does that in spades; at least from a perception level. Reality is still TBD. Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 09:09 |
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I don’t consider the SF-50 much of a jet, or performance step up. What the SF-50 does is rid the owner of piston maintenance.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 09:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: What the SF-50 does is rid the owner of piston maintenance. And that's Huuuuge.....
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 09:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: What the SF-50 does is rid the owner of piston maintenance. And that's Huuuuge.....
That's no lie. I'm so sick of maintaining piston engines.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 09:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: What the SF-50 does is rid the owner of piston maintenance. You make it sound like the SF50 is the only turbine in the sky. Anybody who wants to be rid of piston maintenance can do that without the SF50. I've done it for 10 years. In that time, my total engine maintenance has been brief inspections, oil samples, and ONE oil change. In other words, trivial. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 10:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Looks like an over pressurized Foland Nat No the Folland Gnat was an attractive little thing https://www.google.com/save
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 11:01 |
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A GA company won the The Collier Trophy. That never happens.
This is a win for GA. Period. Lets celebrate it.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 11:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: A GA company won the The Collier Trophy. That never happens.
This is a win for GA. Period. Lets celebrate it. I was thinking the same thing. Is this not a really big deal? No one is really talking about it.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 11:24 |
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And further, what a shame that American investors are so short term focused that they can't see the long term value in investing in innovative American companies.
Shortly after the Chinese bought Cirrus I ran into Dale K and and asked him how it was going. He replied with a long face, "I am getting beat up pretty hard in the Avpress about the sale to the Chinese... I didn't sell it to the Chinese, the Saudi's did." Then he got a really big smile and said, "But what a joy it is to work for an investor where the short term plan is 5 years and the long term plan is 25."
Who do we think is going to win the race? Wake up America...
BTW, investing in mutual funds based only on short term returns, makes all of us an accomplice.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 11:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: A GA company won the The Collier Trophy. That never happens. Been a number of GA winners: 2014 - Gulfstream G650 2005 - Eclipse Aviation EA500 2004 - Gulfstream G550 1996 - Cessna Citation X 1985 - Cessna for Citation safety record 1978 - Williams for small turbofans Quote: This is a win for GA. Period. Lets celebrate it. That's what many said about Eclipse, which then ended in bankruptcy a few years later. Frankly, the GA winners really don't rate in terms of progress and accomplishment compared to many of the other winners. For example, last year's winner was Blue Origin with their reusable rocket platform New Shepard. List of winners here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collier_TrophyNote the criteria: "the greatest achievement in aeronautics or astronautics in America, with respect to improving the performance, efficiency, and safety of air or space vehicles, the value of which has been thoroughly demonstrated by actual use during the preceding year." I seriously doubt the SF50 is the greatest achievement we had in aerospace in 2017. If so, that's depressing. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 11:33 |
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This is a huge deal and one that GA should truly celebrate.
By chance, I got my first ride in one the day before.
All I can say is for a personally flown Jet, it is vey impressive.
The wrap around windscreen allows for the best view I have ever seen in a plane I have been in.
The start procedure is brain dead easy, turn one knob and push one button, Boom!
The avionics are drop dead beautiful and easy to manage and the auto-pilot flys if flawlessly.
I got three take offs and landings between Frederick, Maryland-Lancaster. Pa. and Morristown.
It does suck some fuel down low, as any turbine would, but man what a ride.
BTW, the Cirrus rep sold one to the demo customer we went to see in Morristown.
We were riding in Serial number 41
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 11:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: This is a huge deal and one that GA should truly celebrate.
By chance, I got my first ride in one the day before.
All I can say is for a personally flown Jet, it is vey impressive.
The wrap around windscreen allows for the best view I have ever seen in a plane I have been in.
The start procedure is brain dead easy, turn one knob and push one button, Boom!
The avionics are drop dead beautiful and easy to manage and the auto-pilot flys if flawlessly.
I got three take offs and landings between Frederick, Maryland-Lancaster. Pa. and Morristown.
It does suck some fuel down low, as any turbine would, but man what a ride.
BTW, the Cirrus rep sold one to the demo customer we went to see in Morristown.
We were riding in Serial number 41 What no pictures? Peace, Don
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