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Post subject: Re: Retractable Gear Cirrus Posted: 09 Jan 2014, 19:53 |
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Joined: 05/03/12 Posts: 2279 Post Likes: +704 Location: Wichita, KS
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Don is correct again... just about anything can be done, it is just a matter of trading weight, performance, cost, complexity, etc. and ending up with a good product at the end of the day. Realistically, RG for planes cruising under 200 knots doesn't pencil-out IMO against a well-designed and faired FG arrangement, as Cirrus and Lancair have demonstrated. Lots of us would love an RG version of those since we're used to legacy planes like Bonanzas and Mooneys, but I feel they made the best decision for the modern market (including the buyer/pilot and the current FAA climate!). The faster you go of course, the much bigger the drag impact is, which is why you'll likely never find a FG bizjet. Honestly, though, once you're inside the plane flying it somewhere, the only thing that matters is the performance and not where the gear is riding... If I had a choice of 5 KTAS of cruise performance vs. 50-75 lbs of additional payload for the RG/FG debate, I would likely choose the payload option. However, when we get nice aerial photos of our planes, I'll concede having the gear sticking out in the midst of a beautiful undercast at sunset just looks stupid. The Premier definitely had a metal wing. The new Lear 85 has a composite wing and RG. Time will tell about how successful it might be in the market... it is late and heavy, much like the Premier and Horizon were when they were finally born across town... 
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Post subject: Re: Retractable Gear Cirrus Posted: 09 Jan 2014, 23:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: no You don't count now that you burn Jet A  . It'd be like going from a flat screen tv to a black and white 13" tube tv for you
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Post subject: Re: Retractable Gear Cirrus Posted: 10 Jan 2014, 00:03 |
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Joined: 06/16/08 Posts: 3566 Post Likes: +264 Location: San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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Username Protected wrote: So who would be interested in a new composite Beechcraft V tail with fixed gear if they designed one and it was 15-20 tks faster than a Cirrus? I'm talking about a clean sheet design. 2 door, 5 seater like the cirrus? Plus points if they were able to retain some of the styling/design cues from original fuselage... What you are describing is the Cirrus Vision Jet.
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Post subject: Re: Retractable Gear Cirrus Posted: 10 Jan 2014, 00:11 |
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So who is it that is looking at the airplane in cruise? The Bonanza gear is down on approach, landing, and TO. Username Protected wrote: I'm not flying a fixed gear anything (unless it's a tail wheel). Airplanes are meant to look good. You can't do that with a tricycle landing gear sticking out the bottom of the plane.
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Post subject: Re: Retractable Gear Cirrus Posted: 10 Jan 2014, 00:13 |
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Joined: 06/16/08 Posts: 3566 Post Likes: +264 Location: San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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Username Protected wrote: So who is it that is looking at the airplane in cruise?
Jason has his cellphone attached to the wingtip so he can take selfies during flight 
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Post subject: Re: Retractable Gear Cirrus Posted: 10 Jan 2014, 00:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm not flying a fixed gear anything (unless it's a tail wheel). Airplanes are meant to look good. You can't do that with a tricycle landing gear sticking out the bottom of the plane.
High speed pass? Formation? Uhh... "Visiting" a friend's house in the boonies? Lots of people see my plane with its gear up (all during legal maneuvering, of course).
And, again, the new BT standard for undeniable truth has been met: Jason and I agree... Not about the assless chaps.
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