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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 17:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't get it. Who buys a jet to fly in the 220kts range in the mid 20's? Wouldn't a turbo prop be a better choice? If I'm going to have a tiny jet' I'd rather be in an eclipse at FL410 Turing in the mid 300 kts range How does the size compare to a Citation Mustang? I was at the local FBO on Friday and got to talking to an air ambulance pilot. About 2 years ago they bought a Mustang instead of another King Air 200. The Mustang costs half as much, flies 100 knots faster and they are using less gas than the King Air 200. The farthest they need to go is from their home base in Great Falls, MT to Rochester, MN which they can do. The Mustang is smaller on the inside but big enough for their needs. It also has the advantage of being lower to the ground making it easier to load patients. The front door is also preferred. Pilots get on and turn left, patients and crew get on and turn right.
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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 17:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't get it. Who buys a jet to fly in the 220kts range in the mid 20's? Wouldn't a turbo prop be a better choice? If I'm going to have a tiny jet' I'd rather be in an eclipse at FL410 Turing in the mid 300 kts range LOL. Well I'd rather have 400kts, 41k, and 1400 mile range. Infact can't economically justify much less. To each his own. I think Cirrus has a much more proven infrastructure than Eclipse. Better avionics for sure. More fan appeal too. Just keep moving your clients up.
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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 20:33 |
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Cirrus jet holds 288 gallons of fuel so my guess is its burning in the 60 gph range at FL280. Full fuel payload is kind of low at 400 ibs. Max speed 300kts, in a dive probably. This is all speculative but on the Cirrus website, so # will probably be worst. $2m ? I doubt it. Get a TBM.
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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 00:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't get it. Who buys a jet to fly in the 220kts range in the mid 20's? Wouldn't a turbo prop be a better choice? If I'm going to have a tiny jet' I'd rather be in an eclipse at FL410 Turing in the mid 300 kts range Agreed. It is one of the best looking airplanes I've ever seen. Couple that with the fact it's a jet and the cool factor is through the roof. However, from a practical standpoint it's hard to make an argument for it against the Eclipse or the Mustang or a TBM.
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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 06:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: That's a "never fly the airlines again except to Europe" kinda plane. BINGO. I think comparing this to a Mustang or Phenom 100 is not fair. Pressurized, FL28, four person and bags while burning JetA....this is the answer to clown planes. If they get it to market at $2M, you will see them on a ramp near you in 2015. I sat in the mock up this week and it is roomy, sexy and so Cirrus (aka simple, elegant and feels like a BMW). If this thing burns an average of 45 gph ($200-$250 per hour fuel burn), they will be back ordered for years. It literally looks like something in a James Bond movie. Just think about a two or three person partnership in one of these...  Ok Glenn, who should be our third?
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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 15:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't get it. Who buys a jet to fly in the 220kts range in the mid 20's? Wouldn't a turbo prop be a better choice? If I'm going to have a tiny jet' I'd rather be in an eclipse at FL410 Turing in the mid 300 kts range Agreed. It is one of the best looking airplanes I've ever seen. Couple that with the fact it's a jet and the cool factor is through the roof. However, from a practical standpoint it's hard to make an argument for it against the Eclipse or the Mustang or a TBM.
I don't know why I find this thread so interesting. How much is the price of a new Mustang or a new TBM? What is the fuel flow of a Mustang? I just presume that the purchase price of $2M is lower and the operating costs of a single engine jet is much cheaper than a two engine jet. I think all of us who own a plane realized early on that the purchase price was just the price for admission. The real expense is in staying in the game.
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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 15:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Cirrus guys told me 300 kts, 1400 range, 400 payload or fill all the seats (5 adults + 2 kids in the jump seats) and go 500 miles. Lots of payload / range options. This is going to be a great personal jet. Plus it will fit in a "normal" size hangar! That's a "never fly the airlines again except to Europe" kinda plane.
It's a good start.. no?
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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 16:34 |
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I am interested in the plane, but : It is not as roomy as the Eclipse. (I love Crandall, but he doesn't know what he is talking about on this one  ) I do not believe the speed/range numbers are realistic. Has only one engine which will be burning a ton of fuel down low. Speaking of flying low, one of the nice things about a jet is flying at FL400 and FL410 above 99% of the weather while all the turboprops are diverting around buildups everywhere getting the hell beat out of them. I think the Vision is cool for a guy whose perfect plane would be an SR22, but he wants to be able to say, 'Let's take the jet.'
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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 17:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think the Vision is cool for a guy whose perfect plane would be an SR22, but he wants to be able to say, 'Let's take the jet.' No doubt about it: like " it's a small gathering; I will just wear the Rolex"
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Post subject: Re: The Cirrus SF50 VisionJet "Fast Track to Production" Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 17:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: I am interested in the plane, but : It is not as roomy as the Eclipse. (I love Crandall, but he doesn't know what he is talking about on this one  ) I do not believe the speed/range numbers are realistic. Has only one engine which will be burning a ton of fuel down low. Speaking of flying low, one of the nice things about a jet is flying at FL400 and FL410 above 99% of the weather while all the turboprops are diverting around buildups everywhere getting the hell beat out of them. I think the Vision is cool for a guy whose perfect plane would be an SR22, but he wants to be able to say, 'Let's take the jet.' Until we can see one in the flesh, there's not much to debate. Who know what the numbers will be but I have been inside both planes. As for 41K....... If you're not above it at 25K you're not gonna be above it at 41K.
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