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That's not my experience at all. I wouldn't take his word for it. I couldn't be happier with my decision. I'll fly at 10k if I feel like. It still hauls ass.


Would love to spend some time with you someday Jason chatting about it.


Jason's head would explode if he spoke to an Expense Reduction specialist about it. ;)
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That's not my experience at all. I wouldn't take his word for it. I couldn't be happier with my decision. I'll fly at 10k if I feel like. It still hauls ass.


Would love to spend some time with you someday Jason chatting about it.

I'm more interested in size and comfort than speed. If they made a larger PC12, I'd buy it. I like the room. I like my passengers to walk up the air stair and not feel lie they're flying on a little bitty airplane. My plane will make it coast to coast non stop. How much faster can you get really?

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If I win the lotto, and I spend a bunch of coin on an airplane, it's not going to have just one engine.

A nice KingAir C90 would fit the bill.

FWIW, the one engine failure I've had in my career has been a PT-6. That's after thousands of hours behind PT-6s, PW120s, JT8Ds, and whatnot.

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Awesome Luc, nice pics. With the optional pilot's door :thumbup:

the TBM is a dream boat. My only design suggestion would be to stretch the thing 18" and put a side facing belted potty in it.

And by the way this is no "babble talk" :)

That optional pilot's door costs more than my entire airplane, per the spec sheet.

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I bet that Post-It note option on the yoke cost more than our planes :duck: .

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FWIW, the one engine failure I've had in my career has been a PT-6.


And they said I was the only one....

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I fly single engine pistons at night and IFR. I understand full well that the odds are very good in a S/E turbine and that an engine failure is far down the list of risks inherent in flying in the weather, but even so, I still like flying my Baron much better in the dark, over hostile terrain and low ceilings or any combination of the above....

With all that said, I found 3 S/E turbine fatal due to engine failure with just a few minutes of searching.... I know there are several more engine failures in Caravans, many of which were survivable... The point is that turbines do quit, just like all man made gadgets....

Compressor Blade separation C-208
http://www.ntsb.gov/AviationQuery/brief ... 1157&key=1

No reason given TBM
http://www.ntsb.gov/AviationQuery/brief ... 2514&key=1

Control linkage failure TBM
http://www.ntsb.gov/AviationQuery/brief ... 0591&key=1

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The two Pilatus incidents we reviewed a SIMCOM this year were both from non-engine issues: one fuel control unit and one prop governor. In each case, they wound up in the drink.

I think I've related my mechanic reported last year or the year before, three KAs came into the home drome here on one: no incident report.

Same with our 58P last September when we lost number 6 cylinder on the left engine: flown in and landed without incident on one.

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I fly single engine pistons at night and IFR. I understand full well that the odds are very good in a S/E turbine and that an engine failure is far down the list of risks inherent in flying in the weather, but even so, I still like flying my Baron much better in the dark, over hostile terrain and low ceilings or any combination of the above....

With all that said, I found 3 S/E turbine fatal due to engine failure with just a few minutes of searching.... I know there are several more engine failures in Caravans, many of which were survivable... The point is that turbines do quit, just like all man made gadgets....

Compressor Blade separation C-208
http://www.ntsb.gov/AviationQuery/brief ... 1157&key=1

No reason given TBM
http://www.ntsb.gov/AviationQuery/brief ... 2514&key=1

Control linkage failure TBM
http://www.ntsb.gov/AviationQuery/brief ... 0591&key=1

Lots of twin piston and twin turbine crashes too.


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The two Pilatus incidents we reviewed a SIMCOM this year were both from non-engine issues: one fuel control unit and one prop governor. In each case, they wound up in the drink.

I think I've related my mechanic reported last year or the year before, three KAs came into the home drome here on one: no incident report.

Same with our 58P last September when we lost number 6 cylinder on the left engine: flown in and landed without incident on one.

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Dave

Should I now post the video of the Brazillian C90 VMC rollover?

If twins are so safe, why do they crash too? Your argument cannot be backed up.


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So why did it have to end up a single vs twin debate?

The last thing on my mind when flying the TBM is an engine failure.
There is way more other things that can kill you. At least I have half the chance of having and engine failure than the twin guys.

Yes Jason, post it again, they already forgot about that C90 vmc rollover.




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The two Pilatus incidents we reviewed a SIMCOM this year were both from non-engine issues: one fuel control unit and one prop governor. In each case, they wound up in the drink.

I think I've related my mechanic reported last year or the year before, three KAs came into the home drome here on one: no incident report.

Same with our 58P last September when we lost number 6 cylinder on the left engine: flown in and landed without incident on one.

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Dave

Should I now post the video of the Brazillian C90 VMC rollover?

If twins are so safe, why do they crash too? Your argument cannot be backed up.

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I acknowledge that it is an irrational concern, but still a concern. If we were rational, there would be half as many jets. Far more turbo-props and most of them S/E. But we are not rational, we are emotional and I, and many others, "like" flying M/E airplanes over water, rocks, and low ceilings.

I have no issue with those who fly S/E airplanes in hostile environments, I do it. But I don't have to like it....

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And here I thought I posted this cute little innocent thread about a cool plane I saw on Saturday..... :scratch:

BTW, the guy who just bought it is 82 years old!
I think that is awesome!
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I acknowledge that it is an irrational concern, but still a concern. If we were rational, there would be half as many jets. Far more turbo-props and most of them S/E. But we are not rational, we are emotional and I, and many others, "like" flying M/E airplanes over water, rocks, and low ceilings.

I have no issue with those who fly S/E airplanes in hostile environments, I do it. But I don't have to like it....

I hear you and I agree with you. I say fly whet you like and what makes you happy.

I don't know why some ME guy always has to bomb a thread like this with a negative SE post. We get it. It's been hashed out here 1000 times. Let it go.


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That accident hits home a little bit, I knew the pilot and my uncle runs the flight operation for the company that the pilot flew for. He's lost a few good pilots due to plane crashes. They fly PC-12s, and TBMs, along with Barons day/night in any kind of weather. When other people don't go, they go.

His company was also the first people to time out the airframe on a TBM. For a few years, 3 of them sat on the ground waiting FAA approval to keep flying them. All 3 are back in the air!

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I acknowledge that it is an irrational concern, but still a concern. If we were rational, there would be half as many jets. Far more turbo-props and most of them S/E. But we are not rational, we are emotional and I, and many others, "like" flying M/E airplanes over water, rocks, and low ceilings.

I have no issue with those who fly S/E airplanes in hostile environments, I do it. But I don't have to like it....


As long as its not a single-engine Wright powered one, right?


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