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 Post subject: Re: PC-12 based "All You Can Fly" airline startup
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Their hypothesis is that, like a gym membership, average usage per member will decrease over time, which means they will be able to allow more wait-listed people in while keeping bookings relatively flat. If the hypothesis proves true, eventually they can have enough members to turn a profit every month, yet their flights won't be overbooked.


As I said, for every Gym that is open, there are 3 that have closed and bankrupted the franchisee.

If you paid $75 and you can't get on a treadmill for 20min, you are going to be moderately peeved. If you paid $3800 and you can't get on a flight and miss a meeting, you are going to be 50.66 times as peeved.


I don't disagree... but that's kind of the way most business is. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. A lot of it is under your control (do you understand the issues and prepare for them well enough), sometimes it is not (I have a pal that started an FBO in late 2000; nine or ten months later... <sigh>).

Anyone wishing to start a business has some things to think about (like, can I feed my family?).

I wouldn't start that business, but mainly I don't know a darned thing about moving people around... or travel competition in that region... or operation of aircraft... or...

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 Post subject: Re: PC-12 based "All You Can Fly" airline startup
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Here's the flight aware page for their PC-12 (N807SA). They aren't going above 17,000 feet which seems odd for a turboprop. It looks like they are filing IFR. They need it getting in and out of Burbank in the mornings.

The flight is about 1:30 flying time. That's only about 15 minutes faster than my Bonanza!


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N807SA
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N806SA

Edit: Found their second plane.


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 Post subject: Re: PC-12 based "All You Can Fly" airline startup
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I don't disagree... but that's kind of the way most business is. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.


As I said, this is either a stupid idea or or it is the next Fedex.


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I don't disagree... but that's kind of the way most business is. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.


As I said, this is either a stupid idea or or it is the next Fedex.


You are 100% right on that. It's a bold move and those don't squeak by, they fly or fall.

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I don't disagree... but that's kind of the way most business is. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.


As I said, this is either a stupid idea or or it is the next Fedex.


Agreed.
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Apparently they are still going strong.

http://voices.mydesert.com/2013/12/05/s ... gs-dec-12/

I have to say, I am a little surprised, but good for them. I would certainly be a customer if they flew the East Coast corridor.


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Yeah I hear them on the radio all the time. :sad:

I'm not regretting my decision... yet.


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Apparently they are still going strong.

http://voices.mydesert.com/2013/12/05/s ... gs-dec-12/

:thumbup: Pulling for them!


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Yeah I hear them on the radio all the time. :sad:

I'm not regretting my decision... yet.


I hear them all the time too, since I fly similar routes often. What decision are you referring to?

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Yeah I hear them on the radio all the time. :sad:

I'm not regretting my decision... yet.


I hear them all the time too, since I fly similar routes often. What decision are you referring to?



Maybe a decision not to invest in the company when he had the opportunity?

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Not invest, but join them as a member of the founding team. I was talking to Wade about it back when it was just him and his brother and a crazy idea. That was 2 years ago now.


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