BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 11:45

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As for the notion that ANGER at the TSA is the future while LOVE of flying is a quaint, dated notion that has no future in aviation... Well, that strikes me as fundamentally flawed.

Tell that to the guys selling all the airplanes. Cirrus delivered 3 new 2013's to PDK yesterday.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 11:48

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These threads are always fascinating.

There are those who recognize the superior attraction to buyers that Cirrus has.
There are those that say, "Nothing flies like a Bonanza".
There are those who love the avionics and others who say that is what makes Cirrus pilots less competent.
There are always the shots at the parachute, as though it's something bad or for wimp pilots.

I think this should just be a celebration of all that Cirrus has done well for all of us (i.e., General Aviation), and we should all hope that they continue to be successful.

Now, if Beech can get their act together, they should try to figure out how to compete. So far, they've done a dismal job.

Arlen the wise man :bow:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 11:48

Username Protected wrote:

As for the notion that ANGER at the TSA is the future while LOVE of flying is a quaint, dated notion that has no future in aviation... Well, that strikes me as fundamentally flawed.

Tell that to the guys selling all the airplanes. Cirrus delivered 3 new 2013's to PDK yesterday.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 11:50

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Anger is good for a quick shot of adrenaline to the market. It has no follow-through. Cirrus is capitalizing on that, but I don't think they are foolish enough to believe it will sustain actual growth.

"Anger" isn't the driving force..... "Freedom" is the driving force.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 11:54

I'm going to have to tout my decision making here:

Cirrus = safe, efficient, business, time machine.
J3 Cub = stick and rudder skills. flying for the love of flight machine.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 11:57

Cirrus=Family sedan
J3 Cub=Crotch rocket

People in the market for a family sedan aren't at the Yamaha dealership.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 11:58

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If you get too slow, it has a stick pusher. If you over-bank to 45 degrees, it corrects you back to 30 degrees.

And if you push the on star button one of their factory reps takes over and guides the plane drone style safely to your destination. :sad:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 12:01

I'm happy that Cirrus is selling airplanes. It's good for the economy and good for GA.

I am decidedly not a button pusher. I've never bought a video game either. Hopefully there will still be room for those of us who happen to appreciate the history, romance, comfort, speed, timeless design and sex appeal of a Bonanza. I don't see why it has to be one or the other.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 12:01

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And if you push the on star button one of their factory reps takes over and guides the plane drone style safely to your destination. :sad:

Yes... You see it.

I guarantee someone at Cirrus has thought of this and is working on it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 12:05

Isn't Diamond outselling them all?

Did you guys see that Twin Turbine on Avweb yesterday, two pilots on board, but the plane flown from the ground? You know a computer could be easily programmed to fly better than most pilots. It's coming. Soon. Cirrus and Diamond are both working on it. Then GA will makes sense for alot more people. This is why I'm optimistic. And the sky is big enough for all of it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 12:07

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Isn't Diamond outselling them all?

I can't remember the last time I saw a Diamond on the ramp or in the air. I see many Cirri every day.

Diamond doesn't have a 180 knot airplane to sell.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 12:08

I believe the Crandall is a ficticious character created by the Jeff's to keep BT entertaining :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 12:10

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I believe the Crandall is a ficticious character created by the Jeff's to keep BT entertaining :duck:

I think I'm just saying what all you guys in the industry are thinking. For some reason, you guys don't want to talk about it.....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 12:11

Cirrus as a XC business plane??? Too slow, too small. I know in my business I need speed and some space. I wouldn't want to take 10hrs. flying coast to coast. I can do that on the airlines in more comfort than in a Cirrus.
I think the Cirrus is geared at the entry level personal pilot...parachute, fixed gear, glass ...Cirrus has made flying a whole lot safer and simpler. No doubt they are leap years ahead of Beech in innovation. Beech hasn't innovated anything in decades.
That said I bought my little Baron for short commutes from San Diego - LA and enjoyment. The last thing I wanted was to push buttons. So I looked at the best "hand flying" airplanes. If I'm just pushing buttons I'd rather be in the back of the airplane napping or being productive.
Their next step should be a roomy 6-place, complex, pressurized, turbine or diesel 300kts+.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2013, 12:12

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Cirrus as a XC business plane??? Too slow, too small. I know in my business I need speed and some space. I wouldn't want to take 10hrs. flying coast to coast. I can do that on the airlines in more comfort than in a Cirrus.
I think the Cirrus is geared at the entry level personal pilot...parachute, fixed gear, glass ...Cirrus has made flying a whole lot safer and simpler. No doubt they are leap years ahead of Beech in innovation. Beech hasn't innovated anything in decades.
That said I bought my little Baron for short commutes from San Diego - LA and enjoyment. The last thing I wanted was to push buttons. So I looked at the best "hand flying" airplanes. If I'm just pushing buttons I'd rather be in the back of the airplane napping or being productive.
Their next step should be a roomy 6-place, complex, pressurized, turbine or diesel 300kts+.

I used my TN Bonanza as a business airplane for 4 years and 1000hours. No commercial for me.

How can you say it's NOT a business airplane when it's 99% businesses buying them?

Cirrus is so far out in front.......